Pubs in Sutton being taken over by Tesco

Sutton Guardian: Sutton pubs face supermarket sweep Sutton pubs face supermarket sweep

Campaigners have raised concerns about the number of pubs closing across the borough and being converted into supermarkets.

Following last week's confirmation the Angel Pub in Angel Hill is to become a Tesco Express, a planning application has been submitted by the same supermarket on the site of another former pub.

This week, Tesco made its latest application to Sutton Council for its plans to turn The Woodman in Lower Road, Sutton, into another one of its convenience stores.

The Dolphin pub in Sutton High Street, is about to be levelled and turned into flats, with shops or restaurants underneath.

Dr Liam Fox, former defence secretary, recently called for a review into legislation which allows supermarkets to swoop on empty pubs.

Councils say converting a pub to a shop is not a change of use and therefore it can be difficult to oppose getting planning permission.

A Sutton and Croydon representative for the Campaign for Real Ales, (CAMRA) said the problem facing Sutton was one facing pubs nationwide.

A spokesman for CAMRA said: "Pubs are finding things difficult at the moment. Since the smoking ban came in, numbers visiting pubs has been falling, but there are many other factors. Pubs where there are poor transport links are finding things especially difficult. People are going to supermarkets, buying their drink and staying at home. Sutton is no different to the rest of the country."

Nationally CAMRA research shows the amount of pubs closing on a weekly basis is up to 18 compared to 12 between 2011 and 2012.

The British Beer and Pub Association recently reported that sales of beer in pubs fell by 4.8 per cent compared to the same period last year.

Tesco and other supermarkets have said they will put stores where there is demand.

A spokesperson for Tesco, said: "We open stores in locations that we think will be popular and convenient for our customers and the local community. The buildings on Angel Hill and Lower Road in Sutton were vacant and we are delighted to bring them back to life as stores which will serve the local community and employ around 20 people in each."

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2:46pm Thu 21 Feb 13

ResidentTony says...

Devil is in the detail. For publicans and regular pub-goers, the loss of a genuine, longstanding, old style "local" may seem a shame. But a lot of pubs these days are not very nice places, and may even constitute trouble spots. Closing down the latter category is a good thing. What replaces them is the next consideration. The building should be retained and VERY sypathetically converted so as not to dumb down the architecture. Tesco need to be very painstaking and meticulous about this -they are already seen in a bad light by many people, rightly or wrongly.

Buildings should not be unceremoniously "levelled" unless they are bland or ugly. The Dolphin building is neither. I think (but am not entirely sure) that its facade is being retained, so this may be alright. If a restaurant goes in at ground floor, that could be great; however, it needs to one that will lift the area - a branch of Cafe Rouge or Carluccios, for instance, or a quality independent: definitely not anything bland or tacky.
Devil is in the detail. For publicans and regular pub-goers, the loss of a genuine, longstanding, old style "local" may seem a shame. But a lot of pubs these days are not very nice places, and may even constitute trouble spots. Closing down the latter category is a good thing. What replaces them is the next consideration. The building should be retained and VERY sypathetically converted so as not to dumb down the architecture. Tesco need to be very painstaking and meticulous about this -they are already seen in a bad light by many people, rightly or wrongly. Buildings should not be unceremoniously "levelled" unless they are bland or ugly. The Dolphin building is neither. I think (but am not entirely sure) that its facade is being retained, so this may be alright. If a restaurant goes in at ground floor, that could be great; however, it needs to one that will lift the area - a branch of Cafe Rouge or Carluccios, for instance, or a quality independent: definitely not anything bland or tacky. ResidentTony

8:28pm Thu 21 Feb 13

lilacgeorge says...

they should turn these into quality restaurants! Sutton is full of nando type places, we need somewhere decent to eat with good quality english food - roast dinners, steak, fish etc. We have far too many coffee shops and most of the resturants we do have seem to be italian. We need something different!!!! Somewhere you can go for a 'posh' meal, or a romantic meal, not somewhere full of kids running riot!
they should turn these into quality restaurants! Sutton is full of nando type places, we need somewhere decent to eat with good quality english food - roast dinners, steak, fish etc. We have far too many coffee shops and most of the resturants we do have seem to be italian. We need something different!!!! Somewhere you can go for a 'posh' meal, or a romantic meal, not somewhere full of kids running riot! lilacgeorge

8:35pm Thu 21 Feb 13

lilacgeorge says...

sorry should have said, I'm glad this is gonna be a Tesco's, we have a londis plus two other 'convienience' stores in that little row and none of them have anything decent! Yeah they are handy for papers etc, but you are buggered if you need meat or veg etc...bring it on I say!
sorry should have said, I'm glad this is gonna be a Tesco's, we have a londis plus two other 'convienience' stores in that little row and none of them have anything decent! Yeah they are handy for papers etc, but you are buggered if you need meat or veg etc...bring it on I say! lilacgeorge

8:56pm Thu 21 Feb 13

Tubby Jim says...

people keep going on about the smoking ban, the £4/pint is the reason, I popped out into Carshalton on Sunday had a couple of pints and hardly any change from a tenner, hardly going to be rushing back am I?
people keep going on about the smoking ban, the £4/pint is the reason, I popped out into Carshalton on Sunday had a couple of pints and hardly any change from a tenner, hardly going to be rushing back am I? Tubby Jim

5:18pm Fri 22 Feb 13

ResidentTony says...

I agree with lilacgeorge that these should be turned into quality reataurants. We are well provided for with Italian resataurants (although it be graet to add a brach of Carlucccio's to the town's stock); however, it would fantastic if somewhere like the "New British" "Partners 23 Restaurant could open up in the town whether in place of a pub or anywhere else vacant. This was listed in in the Good Food Guide and was a really high-class place. It was in Stonecot Hill - many readers will remember it fondly. Meanwhile, there's Brasserie Vacherin for serious cooking. Whilst clearly not English, they do great steaks among their other menu options.
I agree with lilacgeorge that these should be turned into quality reataurants. We are well provided for with Italian resataurants (although it be graet to add a brach of Carlucccio's to the town's stock); however, it would fantastic if somewhere like the "New British" "Partners 23 Restaurant could open up in the town whether in place of a pub or anywhere else vacant. This was listed in in the Good Food Guide and was a really high-class place. It was in Stonecot Hill - many readers will remember it fondly. Meanwhile, there's Brasserie Vacherin for serious cooking. Whilst clearly not English, they do great steaks among their other menu options. ResidentTony

7:53pm Fri 22 Feb 13

jackson80 says...

The Dolphin pub is a dump! Level it! The ASDA needs leveling too...
The Dolphin pub is a dump! Level it! The ASDA needs leveling too... jackson80

8:38pm Fri 22 Feb 13

ResidentTony says...

Jackson80 is I am sure right about the pub itself, but the facade of the building above it should be retained as it's a Victorian building of character. Then put a high-class restaurant in at ground floor level.

The Asda building does not look too bad at all from the High Steet side; but the other side is very utilitarian and the side most people passing through the town by car actually see. How dimwitted was that bit of town planning!!! Remodel the St Nicholas Way side and turn the whole thing into a Waitrose!!
Jackson80 is I am sure right about the pub itself, but the facade of the building above it should be retained as it's a Victorian building of character. Then put a high-class restaurant in at ground floor level. The Asda building does not look too bad at all from the High Steet side; but the other side is very utilitarian and the side most people passing through the town by car actually see. How dimwitted was that bit of town planning!!! Remodel the St Nicholas Way side and turn the whole thing into a Waitrose!! ResidentTony

2:14pm Wed 27 Feb 13

jwoosoo says...

Tesco own the one stop company . close that, open the tesco store . And it will have a detrimental affect on local stores.
Tesco own the one stop company . close that, open the tesco store . And it will have a detrimental affect on local stores. jwoosoo

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