Huge Sutton town centre redevelopment set to get go-ahead

Sutton Guardian: A drawing of the planned development A drawing of the planned development

Plans for a multi-million pound redevelopment in Sutton town centre are set to get the green light next week.

Sutton Council's development control committee will decide whether to give planning permission for three modern tower blocks to be built at Sutton Point in Sutton Court Road at a meeting on Wednesday.

Developer CNM Estates wants to extend the existing tower, previously known as South Point, which is now derelict, to 22-storeys high and build two further blocks next to it linked by bridges.

 

The plans are to fill the blocks with more than 300 flats as well as shops, office space and leisure facilities.

The council's planning officers have recommended councillors on the development control committee grant the project planning permission although several people have written to object to the application on the grounds that it would be an over development of the site and could block out light from neighbours.

If planning permission is granted, building work on the vacant site could start later this year.

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5:34pm Fri 21 Jun 13

jackson80 says...

What happened to the hotel, restaraunts and shops in the plan? Developers squeezing as much profit out as they can!
What happened to the hotel, restaraunts and shops in the plan? Developers squeezing as much profit out as they can! jackson80

5:45pm Fri 21 Jun 13

Brianfromsutton says...

So....

"The council's planning officers have recommended councillors on the development control committee grant the project planning permission.... "

That is a conclusion that it is set to get the go ahead then is it ?... The Councillors aren't going to reject it then, even given the objections that have been raised ?
So.... "The council's planning officers have recommended councillors on the development control committee grant the project planning permission.... " That is a conclusion that it is set to get the go ahead then is it ?... The Councillors aren't going to reject it then, even given the objections that have been raised ? Brianfromsutton

6:13pm Fri 21 Jun 13

GreenBrown says...

More flats = more people, more traffic, more queuing, more pollution and more resources being used up. The local water company was recently warning about the water running out in 25 years time. This should speed that up. Real forward thinkers this council, prize tools the lot of them.
More flats = more people, more traffic, more queuing, more pollution and more resources being used up. The local water company was recently warning about the water running out in 25 years time. This should speed that up. Real forward thinkers this council, prize tools the lot of them. GreenBrown

9:32pm Fri 21 Jun 13

charlesmcg says...

Why are you guys so negative. There is no suggestion that the quantum of hotel/retail/restaur
ant is reduced that I can see and we desperately need more houses/apartments in London so this scheme ticks all the boxes. Sutton is on the verge of a major and significant re-development and this scheme is at the forefront! Long live a re-vitalised Sutton !
Why are you guys so negative. There is no suggestion that the quantum of hotel/retail/restaur ant is reduced that I can see and we desperately need more houses/apartments in London so this scheme ticks all the boxes. Sutton is on the verge of a major and significant re-development and this scheme is at the forefront! Long live a re-vitalised Sutton ! charlesmcg

9:34pm Fri 21 Jun 13

charlesmcg says...

and by the way GreenBrown, why not suggest some solutions rather than just highlight problems ?
and by the way GreenBrown, why not suggest some solutions rather than just highlight problems ? charlesmcg

12:51am Sat 22 Jun 13

GreenBrown says...

The solution to the problems I have stated is to not build more flats in the area. Your blind optimism doesn't take into account the very real issues I have highlighted. I guess you think these issues aren't important as long as we get some new shiny things.
The solution to the problems I have stated is to not build more flats in the area. Your blind optimism doesn't take into account the very real issues I have highlighted. I guess you think these issues aren't important as long as we get some new shiny things. GreenBrown

1:35am Sat 22 Jun 13

ResidentTony says...

The hotel is still included (it's the stylish building on the right).

Let's now just get on with this. It's great to have the plans; now we need the real thing.
The hotel is still included (it's the stylish building on the right). Let's now just get on with this. It's great to have the plans; now we need the real thing. ResidentTony

11:22am Sat 22 Jun 13

GreenBrown says...

"The hotel is still included (it's the stylish building on the right)."

Stylish! It looks awful. They create these shapes etc because they feel they need to be different and stand out. I guess it must be hard to be an architect in this day and age when all the good designs and shapes have already been used. I'm sure some people thought the architecture of the 60s was stylish back in the day. How wrong they were and how much of it has been torn down.
"The hotel is still included (it's the stylish building on the right)." Stylish! It looks awful. They create these shapes etc because they feel they need to be different and stand out. I guess it must be hard to be an architect in this day and age when all the good designs and shapes have already been used. I'm sure some people thought the architecture of the 60s was stylish back in the day. How wrong they were and how much of it has been torn down. GreenBrown

7:02pm Sat 22 Jun 13

SouthLondoner65 says...

It's definitely stylish; I hope it gets built very soon!
It's definitely stylish; I hope it gets built very soon! SouthLondoner65

9:45pm Sat 22 Jun 13

Michael Pantlin says...

GreenBrown wrote:
More flats = more people, more traffic, more queuing, more pollution and more resources being used up. The local water company was recently warning about the water running out in 25 years time. This should speed that up. Real forward thinkers this council, prize tools the lot of them.
I agree with your observation GreenBrown; I had the same thought about the recent warning by the local water company which has just been bought out by the Japanese who have warned us of their intention to push for compulsory water metering and pursue ways of pushing demand down meaning I suppose price increases that will boost their profits and repay their investment Ah-So!
[quote][p][bold]GreenBrown[/bold] wrote: More flats = more people, more traffic, more queuing, more pollution and more resources being used up. The local water company was recently warning about the water running out in 25 years time. This should speed that up. Real forward thinkers this council, prize tools the lot of them.[/p][/quote]I agree with your observation GreenBrown; I had the same thought about the recent warning by the local water company which has just been bought out by the Japanese who have warned us of their intention to push for compulsory water metering and pursue ways of pushing demand down meaning I suppose price increases that will boost their profits and repay their investment Ah-So! Michael Pantlin

9:51pm Sat 22 Jun 13

Michael Pantlin says...

charlesmcg wrote:
and by the way GreenBrown, why not suggest some solutions rather than just highlight problems ?
How about reducing the demand by tackling the cause of overpopulation? How about the alternative route of discouraging over-breeding, controlling immigration, and discouraging asylum seekers who have passed through no end of safe territories on their way to feast at the Sutton tax payers' feeding bowl? People choose to go to somewhere like New York if they want to live in a skyscraperscape and Sutton if they like green, leafy areas.
[quote][p][bold]charlesmcg[/bold] wrote: and by the way GreenBrown, why not suggest some solutions rather than just highlight problems ?[/p][/quote]How about reducing the demand by tackling the cause of overpopulation? How about the alternative route of discouraging over-breeding, controlling immigration, and discouraging asylum seekers who have passed through no end of safe territories on their way to feast at the Sutton tax payers' feeding bowl? People choose to go to somewhere like New York if they want to live in a skyscraperscape and Sutton if they like green, leafy areas. Michael Pantlin

12:45am Sun 23 Jun 13

SouthLondoner65 says...

Actually I chose Sutton due to the fact that it's a reasonably affordable large town in Greater London with 24 minute train times to London Victoria.
This development will see Sutton put on the map more within the London region as well as making the town centre look much more like a prosperous, thriving town. Furthermore, It's on a main road in the centre of the town, just behind the station and not far from other large offices so it's hardly in a green and leafy part of south Sutton is it now?
At the moment, the site consists of a large 1960's derelict building and lots of rubble whereas this proposal shows the development to be of very high quality with top design in a good town centre location. Hopefully it'll be completed as soon as possible; very exciting to see how Sutton is improving!
Actually I chose Sutton due to the fact that it's a reasonably affordable large town in Greater London with 24 minute train times to London Victoria. This development will see Sutton put on the map more within the London region as well as making the town centre look much more like a prosperous, thriving town. Furthermore, It's on a main road in the centre of the town, just behind the station and not far from other large offices so it's hardly in a green and leafy part of south Sutton is it now? At the moment, the site consists of a large 1960's derelict building and lots of rubble whereas this proposal shows the development to be of very high quality with top design in a good town centre location. Hopefully it'll be completed as soon as possible; very exciting to see how Sutton is improving! SouthLondoner65

1:12am Sun 23 Jun 13

al the taxi says...

with all the extra people living in the centre of Sutton,how about some more late night drinking venues being opened,rather than shut.
with all the extra people living in the centre of Sutton,how about some more late night drinking venues being opened,rather than shut. al the taxi

9:07am Mon 24 Jun 13

emelem says...

-_- yeeees, just what sutton needs- more drunks.

thank you, michael, for saying what i was thinking! "How about reducing the demand by tackling the cause of overpopulation?" YES! it absolutely blows my mind people **** and complain about prices, queues, crowds, traffic, etc... all the while, a good part of these complainers have popped out 3 new humans! *adopt* if you really want to be a *parent*! reproducing (at least more than once) is *incredibly* lazy & selfish. merging yourself and someone else to make a little (for a while) combo version 2.0 isn't cute, it's arrogant. you and your mate ain't that great! and you will not "carry on" through them. you will die & so will they. get used to it. how anyone would want to bring a child into this world is beyond me. help the ones that are already here if you are so caring!

...*and breeeeathe*

anyway! "The plans are to fill the blocks with more than 300 flats as well as shops, office space and leisure facilities." imo, there should be more shops than flats, unless most moving into these places want to go into london to work. there are not enough jobs locally and more people moving in won't help increase them! more shops will, though. it will also make the town more interesting, flats won't.

as for the design, it's *alright* (i'm not much of a "skyscraper" kinda gal..)- it would look better with a grass wall! (*ducks* :)) as it is, i'm still waiting for the final coat of paint to be put on the ugliness that is that big orange building on throwley way! good gawd, that's an awful colour!

and what's going on with sutherland house? that seems to be in much worse shape than south point~
-_- yeeees, just what sutton needs- more drunks. thank you, michael, for saying what i was thinking! "How about reducing the demand by tackling the cause of overpopulation?" YES! it absolutely blows my mind people **** and complain about prices, queues, crowds, traffic, etc... all the while, a good part of these complainers have popped out 3 new humans! *adopt* if you really want to be a *parent*! reproducing (at least more than once) is *incredibly* lazy & selfish. merging yourself and someone else to make a little (for a while) combo version 2.0 isn't cute, it's arrogant. you and your mate ain't that great! and you will not "carry on" through them. you will die & so will they. get used to it. how anyone would want to bring a child into this world is beyond me. help the ones that are already here if you are so caring! ...*and breeeeathe* anyway! "The plans are to fill the blocks with more than 300 flats as well as shops, office space and leisure facilities." imo, there should be more shops than flats, unless most moving into these places want to go into london to work. there are not enough jobs locally and more people moving in won't help increase them! more shops will, though. it will also make the town more interesting, flats won't. as for the design, it's *alright* (i'm not much of a "skyscraper" kinda gal..)- it would look better with a grass wall! (*ducks* :)) as it is, i'm still waiting for the final coat of paint to be put on the ugliness that is that big orange building on throwley way! good gawd, that's an awful colour! and what's going on with sutherland house? that seems to be in much worse shape than south point~ emelem

1:34pm Mon 24 Jun 13

LiberalsOut says...

SouthLondoner65 - 24 minutes to London Victoria - what time is that train???
As usual quite sensible repsonses from GreenBrown and Michael Pantlin rubbished by the blind Lib Dem faithful who must have very short memories of how this lot have systematically destroyed this town over the last 20 odd years
Redevelopment is many years overdue and in the meantime Croydon and Kingston have left Sutton way behind
SouthLondoner65 - 24 minutes to London Victoria - what time is that train??? As usual quite sensible repsonses from GreenBrown and Michael Pantlin rubbished by the blind Lib Dem faithful who must have very short memories of how this lot have systematically destroyed this town over the last 20 odd years Redevelopment is many years overdue and in the meantime Croydon and Kingston have left Sutton way behind LiberalsOut

5:27pm Mon 24 Jun 13

ResidentTony says...

The Sutherland House development is hopefully going ahead, if all the parties involved can agree. It's another great looking building design. It looks good now and will still in 50 years time. Most 60s architecture was never much loved at the time and still is not now. Most people are quite impressed by 21st century architecture. BTW Kingston and Croydon have always been bigger places than Sutton. That does not mean that Sutton should not join the 21st century. Sure, all of its Victorian buildings should be retained (and get original style window frames where not currently in place). They need to look elegant and have charm and character. But town centres also need to be stylish and slick. This site used to have three sixties buildings; now it desperately needs the planned makeover. (Shops are planned along with the flats and hotel!)
The Sutherland House development is hopefully going ahead, if all the parties involved can agree. It's another great looking building design. It looks good now and will still in 50 years time. Most 60s architecture was never much loved at the time and still is not now. Most people are quite impressed by 21st century architecture. BTW Kingston and Croydon have always been bigger places than Sutton. That does not mean that Sutton should not join the 21st century. Sure, all of its Victorian buildings should be retained (and get original style window frames where not currently in place). They need to look elegant and have charm and character. But town centres also need to be stylish and slick. This site used to have three sixties buildings; now it desperately needs the planned makeover. (Shops are planned along with the flats and hotel!) ResidentTony

7:02pm Mon 24 Jun 13

SouthLondoner65 says...

LiberalsOut, I hope you're not a neighbour of mine or someone I know even slightly because you're one of the most dull, repetitive bores I've ever come across. Understand this- I'm not a bloody member of the Liberal Democrats, I just vote for them like many, many other local people.
And Michael Pantlin, your comments on 'overbreeding', immigration and asylum seekers are most bigoted and awful. You sound like a member of UK Independence Party with your anti anything foreign or different attitude.
Thank God people with your backward attitudes are in the minority!!
LiberalsOut, I hope you're not a neighbour of mine or someone I know even slightly because you're one of the most dull, repetitive bores I've ever come across. Understand this- I'm not a bloody member of the Liberal Democrats, I just vote for them like many, many other local people. And Michael Pantlin, your comments on 'overbreeding', immigration and asylum seekers are most bigoted and awful. You sound like a member of UK Independence Party with your anti anything foreign or different attitude. Thank God people with your backward attitudes are in the minority!! SouthLondoner65

7:42pm Mon 24 Jun 13

GreenBrown says...

"And Michael Pantlin, your comments on 'overbreeding', immigration and asylum seekers are most bigoted and awful."

And true. (Though I personally think 2 kids is enough) It might go against your liberal sensibilities, but it doesn't change the fact that this country is over populated and in a terrible state and has been for years. Is it all the migrants fault, no. Was letting millions of them in to a country that wasn't working well already a good idea, no. This country has been mismanaged for years and the brainwashed simpletons of which there are now many, have sat back and let it all happen.

Thank God people with your backward attitudes are in the minority!!

As you may have noticed, or not as your posts seem to indicate, these bigoted and awful people are becoming a big minority in this country and there numbers will continue to grow as this country goes from bad to worse. I actually think that the majority of this country are disgusted with the way it has gone over the last 30 years and if we could just have compulsory voting at the general election the so called right wing parties would triumph. Remember in the last few by-elections UKIP has replaced the LibDems as the 3rd party in England. Just like a LibDem to try to belittle someone and accuse them of being a bigot. Such attacks on people are losing there effect as the people wake up. Shame on you for such a low blow, why not come back with a counter argument instead of puerile name calling.
"And Michael Pantlin, your comments on 'overbreeding', immigration and asylum seekers are most bigoted and awful." And true. (Though I personally think 2 kids is enough) It might go against your liberal sensibilities, but it doesn't change the fact that this country is over populated and in a terrible state and has been for years. Is it all the migrants fault, no. Was letting millions of them in to a country that wasn't working well already a good idea, no. This country has been mismanaged for years and the brainwashed simpletons of which there are now many, have sat back and let it all happen. Thank God people with your backward attitudes are in the minority!! As you may have noticed, or not as your posts seem to indicate, these bigoted and awful people are becoming a big minority in this country and there numbers will continue to grow as this country goes from bad to worse. I actually think that the majority of this country are disgusted with the way it has gone over the last 30 years and if we could just have compulsory voting at the general election the so called right wing parties would triumph. Remember in the last few by-elections UKIP has replaced the LibDems as the 3rd party in England. Just like a LibDem to try to belittle someone and accuse them of being a bigot. Such attacks on people are losing there effect as the people wake up. Shame on you for such a low blow, why not come back with a counter argument instead of puerile name calling. GreenBrown

9:03pm Mon 24 Jun 13

ResidentTony says...

Can we keep the politics out of this. This development will serve holiday makers, businessmen and women (the hotel), young professionals, which Sutton needs more of (the apartments), and shopper/restaurant goers (the retail element).

It's got nothing to do with keeping LibDems in or out. End of.
Can we keep the politics out of this. This development will serve holiday makers, businessmen and women (the hotel), young professionals, which Sutton needs more of (the apartments), and shopper/restaurant goers (the retail element). It's got nothing to do with keeping LibDems in or out. End of. ResidentTony

9:25pm Mon 24 Jun 13

Monstermunch17 says...

UKIP the 3rd party in England? They have a total of 0 MPs.
UKIP the 3rd party in England? They have a total of 0 MPs. Monstermunch17

9:52pm Mon 24 Jun 13

GreenBrown says...

"UKIP the 3rd party in England? They have a total of 0 MPs."

In the by-elections, if you bothered to read properly. In fact, if our voting system was fair, UKIPs recent results would certainly make them one of the top 3 parties in the country as a proportion of votes if projected on a general election. In the last general election they got the 4th most votes.
"UKIP the 3rd party in England? They have a total of 0 MPs." In the by-elections, if you bothered to read properly. In fact, if our voting system was fair, UKIPs recent results would certainly make them one of the top 3 parties in the country as a proportion of votes if projected on a general election. In the last general election they got the 4th most votes. GreenBrown

8:10pm Tue 25 Jun 13

Belmont_Lady_49 says...

Very much agree with both SouthLondoner65 and ResidentTony.
I particularly resent the views of Pantlin, LiberalsOut and, to a lesser extent, GreenBrown. BIGOTED BUFFOONS!
On a non political note, I'm totally in favour of this development for reasons already stated by the sensible bunch; get on with it and build, build, build!!
Very much agree with both SouthLondoner65 and ResidentTony. I particularly resent the views of Pantlin, LiberalsOut and, to a lesser extent, GreenBrown. BIGOTED BUFFOONS! On a non political note, I'm totally in favour of this development for reasons already stated by the sensible bunch; get on with it and build, build, build!! Belmont_Lady_49

9:28pm Tue 25 Jun 13

GreenBrown says...

And still not one of the yes camp have given their opinions on the traffic and resources issues highlighted above. Do you think these concerns don't matter? As far as i'm concerned, any supposed benefit gained from these developments is left redundant when taking the detrimental effects this will have on the people already living here into account. Your attitude is just yes, build, build, build and to hell with the consequences. Not very wise.
And still not one of the yes camp have given their opinions on the traffic and resources issues highlighted above. Do you think these concerns don't matter? As far as i'm concerned, any supposed benefit gained from these developments is left redundant when taking the detrimental effects this will have on the people already living here into account. Your attitude is just yes, build, build, build and to hell with the consequences. Not very wise. GreenBrown

9:55pm Tue 25 Jun 13

charlesmcg says...

For a small Town centre like Sutton ( a poor cousin to Kingston, Croydon and Wimbledon) these developments (and there are many stacking up) are a huge boost and will involve significant investment. bring jobs and prosperity. Sure enough, sometimes the Infrastructure system plays catchup, but I would rather have that than no development or growth at all. Long live Sutton Town Centre....
For a small Town centre like Sutton ( a poor cousin to Kingston, Croydon and Wimbledon) these developments (and there are many stacking up) are a huge boost and will involve significant investment. bring jobs and prosperity. Sure enough, sometimes the Infrastructure system plays catchup, but I would rather have that than no development or growth at all. Long live Sutton Town Centre.... charlesmcg

9:58pm Tue 25 Jun 13

charlesmcg says...

and by the way, if we follow the thinking of GreenBrown, then we end up in a shrinking cesspit economy with no jobs, no growth and general despair all round.
and by the way, if we follow the thinking of GreenBrown, then we end up in a shrinking cesspit economy with no jobs, no growth and general despair all round. charlesmcg

6:32pm Wed 26 Jun 13

GreenBrown says...

If you admire Kingston, Croydon and Wimbledon so much why don't you just go live in one of them. Sutton was a lovely town 20 odd years ago. People moved here, often from places nearer to London, to get away from the traffic and over population etc. It's only the decisions taken by a minority of residence working at the council that has changed the place so much. I guess with the nonstop expansion of London all this was inevitable, but that doesn't mean I have to like it, or that I should keep quiet and let them further ruin my home town. It's that sort of acquiescence by the people of Sutton that the council has relied upon over the years and this has led to Sutton being in this sorry state.
If you admire Kingston, Croydon and Wimbledon so much why don't you just go live in one of them. Sutton was a lovely town 20 odd years ago. People moved here, often from places nearer to London, to get away from the traffic and over population etc. It's only the decisions taken by a minority of residence working at the council that has changed the place so much. I guess with the nonstop expansion of London all this was inevitable, but that doesn't mean I have to like it, or that I should keep quiet and let them further ruin my home town. It's that sort of acquiescence by the people of Sutton that the council has relied upon over the years and this has led to Sutton being in this sorry state. GreenBrown

8:28pm Tue 2 Jul 13

ResidentTony says...

I can sypathise with the above without agreeing with the detail. Sutton was and is a very nice - even lovely - place. BUT I can't see a need to worry so much about queuing up etc. It won't be overcrowded. Anyway, the professional types attracted to these developments will be single mainly, refined, quiet and peaceful. They will make the town lovelier not less lovely.

I wish GreenBrown would put so much effort into stopping the demolition of Sutton's Victorian heritage, which is still one of its strengths; and just be pleased that a few professionals are on the their way to improve the atmosphere of the town centre.
I can sypathise with the above without agreeing with the detail. Sutton was and is a very nice - even lovely - place. BUT I can't see a need to worry so much about queuing up etc. It won't be overcrowded. Anyway, the professional types attracted to these developments will be single mainly, refined, quiet and peaceful. They will make the town lovelier not less lovely. I wish GreenBrown would put so much effort into stopping the demolition of Sutton's Victorian heritage, which is still one of its strengths; and just be pleased that a few professionals are on the their way to improve the atmosphere of the town centre. ResidentTony

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