Mosque planned near Sutton town centre

Sutton Guardian: Sutton Council will make a ruling on the plans to open a mosque near the town centre Sutton Council will make a ruling on the plans to open a mosque near the town centre

Plans to open a mosque near Sutton town centre have been submitted to the council.

The Shal Jahal Islamic Foundation wants to create the mosque by converting a building at 25 Carshalton Road.

Sutton Council is consulting the public on the plans and if you want to submit a comment you can visit the planning section of Sutton Council's website before October 11.

 

TODAY'S TOP SUTTON STORIES

 

Comments (60)

Please log in to enable comment sorting

10:08am Tue 17 Sep 13

DrDelicious says...

Just no.
Just no. DrDelicious
  • Score: 39703

11:49am Tue 17 Sep 13

GreenBrown says...

If this is allowed then Sutton will be Just like Morden in 5 to 10 years. If you build it they will come. All week its like the united nations in Morden but on fridays its like driving through Saudi Arabia. Why is that a problem some people might say....it just is and if you don't know why you never will. There are already plenty of places like Morden round the country, Sutton doesn't need to be another one. Beware the steady creep, we've got the halal shop and the kiosk like shop fronts in the high street. A proper mosque will be the nail in the coffin of Sutton as we know it.
If this is allowed then Sutton will be Just like Morden in 5 to 10 years. If you build it they will come. All week its like the united nations in Morden but on fridays its like driving through Saudi Arabia. Why is that a problem some people might say....it just is and if you don't know why you never will. There are already plenty of places like Morden round the country, Sutton doesn't need to be another one. Beware the steady creep, we've got the halal shop and the kiosk like shop fronts in the high street. A proper mosque will be the nail in the coffin of Sutton as we know it. GreenBrown
  • Score: 132

12:08pm Tue 17 Sep 13

ladyloki says...

Good heavens, where were you NIMBYs when the council planned to build an incinerator that will blight our health and environment for decades? If the building is disused and traffic etc can be accommodated, what's the issue with establishing a place for worship for a community? Let the application for the mosque be considered on facts, not the fears of the ignorant and prejudiced.
Good heavens, where were you NIMBYs when the council planned to build an incinerator that will blight our health and environment for decades? If the building is disused and traffic etc can be accommodated, what's the issue with establishing a place for worship for a community? Let the application for the mosque be considered on facts, not the fears of the ignorant and prejudiced. ladyloki
  • Score: -34

12:19pm Tue 17 Sep 13

GreenBrown says...

ladyloki wrote:
Good heavens, where were you NIMBYs when the council planned to build an incinerator that will blight our health and environment for decades? If the building is disused and traffic etc can be accommodated, what's the issue with establishing a place for worship for a community? Let the application for the mosque be considered on facts, not the fears of the ignorant and prejudiced.
Labour - the party of multiculturalism. If you don't agree with them and their ideological nonsense then you are branded ignorant and prejudiced, when in fact your probably just normal. Those that have not been brainwashed by political correctness must continue to challenge these gullible folk and try to reverse what has made this country sooooooooo awful to have to live in nowadays.
[quote][p][bold]ladyloki[/bold] wrote: Good heavens, where were you NIMBYs when the council planned to build an incinerator that will blight our health and environment for decades? If the building is disused and traffic etc can be accommodated, what's the issue with establishing a place for worship for a community? Let the application for the mosque be considered on facts, not the fears of the ignorant and prejudiced.[/p][/quote]Labour - the party of multiculturalism. If you don't agree with them and their ideological nonsense then you are branded ignorant and prejudiced, when in fact your probably just normal. Those that have not been brainwashed by political correctness must continue to challenge these gullible folk and try to reverse what has made this country sooooooooo awful to have to live in nowadays. GreenBrown
  • Score: 21

12:20pm Tue 17 Sep 13

adrianshort says...

Looking forward to an avalanche of thinly-veiled racism cleverly disguised as concern over traffic congestion and environmental issues.

(And guess what? I know that Islam isn't a race too.)
Looking forward to an avalanche of thinly-veiled racism cleverly disguised as concern over traffic congestion and environmental issues. (And guess what? I know that Islam isn't a race too.) adrianshort
  • Score: -21

12:21pm Tue 17 Sep 13

GreenBrown says...

"Good heavens, where were you NIMBYs when the council planned to build an incinerator that will blight our health and environment for decades? "

I think your find that every comment on this site was anti incinerator, maybe you should read more and comment less.
"Good heavens, where were you NIMBYs when the council planned to build an incinerator that will blight our health and environment for decades? " I think your find that every comment on this site was anti incinerator, maybe you should read more and comment less. GreenBrown
  • Score: 6

12:57pm Tue 17 Sep 13

GreenBrown says...

adrianshort wrote:
Looking forward to an avalanche of thinly-veiled racism cleverly disguised as concern over traffic congestion and environmental issues.

(And guess what? I know that Islam isn't a race too.)
People just object to the area in which they live changing so drastically as it has and will continue to do in the future. It isn't hatred towards other people it's just not wanting your area to change, at least in this way. I don't think it is unreasonable for people not to want to live somewhere that becomes full of people who don't speak their language, who stick to their own community and don't get involved with the rest of the people. The muslim/Islamic culture is fairly incompatible with our western ways and so i'd say people have a right to be concerned and not wish these changes to take place. This will always come down to the question, who asked the English if they wanted all these people to come and settle here and take over whole areas. The answer is of course no one asked the English people what they wanted, it was just foisted upon them and now we have the problems we do and the English are stigmatized as being racists bigots, when all they're doing is reacting to something that isn't really normal and is out of their control.

Traffic concerns might be valid, but for me, continuing to build mosques in this country highlights the fact that muslim migrants who settle in this country will never conform and become truly British because their own culture and beliefs will always take precedence over ours. That is why this sort of immigration is different from what has come before. The great grandchildren of the Italians, Poles, Greeks etc that came here at the turn of the last century have disappeared into the mix. All that is left is the odd surname and that is it. They raised their children to grow up speaking English and conforming to our way of life. I doubt this will be the case this time round.
[quote][p][bold]adrianshort[/bold] wrote: Looking forward to an avalanche of thinly-veiled racism cleverly disguised as concern over traffic congestion and environmental issues. (And guess what? I know that Islam isn't a race too.)[/p][/quote]People just object to the area in which they live changing so drastically as it has and will continue to do in the future. It isn't hatred towards other people it's just not wanting your area to change, at least in this way. I don't think it is unreasonable for people not to want to live somewhere that becomes full of people who don't speak their language, who stick to their own community and don't get involved with the rest of the people. The muslim/Islamic culture is fairly incompatible with our western ways and so i'd say people have a right to be concerned and not wish these changes to take place. This will always come down to the question, who asked the English if they wanted all these people to come and settle here and take over whole areas. The answer is of course no one asked the English people what they wanted, it was just foisted upon them and now we have the problems we do and the English are stigmatized as being racists bigots, when all they're doing is reacting to something that isn't really normal and is out of their control. Traffic concerns might be valid, but for me, continuing to build mosques in this country highlights the fact that muslim migrants who settle in this country will never conform and become truly British because their own culture and beliefs will always take precedence over ours. That is why this sort of immigration is different from what has come before. The great grandchildren of the Italians, Poles, Greeks etc that came here at the turn of the last century have disappeared into the mix. All that is left is the odd surname and that is it. They raised their children to grow up speaking English and conforming to our way of life. I doubt this will be the case this time round. GreenBrown
  • Score: 56

1:18pm Tue 17 Sep 13

Giles C says...

The pragmatic point here is that there isnt any car parking here unless you use the B&Q carpark who im sure would be delighted at getting an influx of religious worshippers every Friday Lunchtime...
Thats not racist Adrian just the reality....
The pragmatic point here is that there isnt any car parking here unless you use the B&Q carpark who im sure would be delighted at getting an influx of religious worshippers every Friday Lunchtime... Thats not racist Adrian just the reality.... Giles C
  • Score: 34

1:32pm Tue 17 Sep 13

ladyloki says...

GreenBrown wrote:
"Good heavens, where were you NIMBYs when the council planned to build an incinerator that will blight our health and environment for decades? "

I think your find that every comment on this site was anti incinerator, maybe you should read more and comment less.
And maybe- instead of sitting behind a keyboard being anti-incinerator- you should have joined our protests, attended planning meetings and gone door to door with petitions as I did?

Multiculturalism is a fact, not a political agenda. We live in a shrinking world, where we must learn to live alongside those who are different if we are to thrive, do business, learn and grow. To blindly oppose this without setting out a clear position as to why IS ignorant. My politics don't come into this, just respect for fellow human beings and behaving towards others as I would wish to be treated myself.
[quote][p][bold]GreenBrown[/bold] wrote: "Good heavens, where were you NIMBYs when the council planned to build an incinerator that will blight our health and environment for decades? " I think your find that every comment on this site was anti incinerator, maybe you should read more and comment less.[/p][/quote]And maybe- instead of sitting behind a keyboard being anti-incinerator- you should have joined our protests, attended planning meetings and gone door to door with petitions as I did? Multiculturalism is a fact, not a political agenda. We live in a shrinking world, where we must learn to live alongside those who are different if we are to thrive, do business, learn and grow. To blindly oppose this without setting out a clear position as to why IS ignorant. My politics don't come into this, just respect for fellow human beings and behaving towards others as I would wish to be treated myself. ladyloki
  • Score: -23

1:35pm Tue 17 Sep 13

Elle81 says...

From what I have witnessed these premises have been used as a place of worship/Mosque for quite some time now. So if planning hasn't been granted for this why are The Shal Jahal Islamic Foundation using this building for this purpose already?!
From what I have witnessed these premises have been used as a place of worship/Mosque for quite some time now. So if planning hasn't been granted for this why are The Shal Jahal Islamic Foundation using this building for this purpose already?! Elle81
  • Score: 30

1:51pm Tue 17 Sep 13

adrianshort says...

Muslim parking is incompatible with our British way of life.
Muslim parking is incompatible with our British way of life. adrianshort
  • Score: 21

1:54pm Tue 17 Sep 13

David7 says...

Oh well, the Dr Delicious ‘just no’ brigade has somehow hacked the Guardian system and logged an amazing 39,688 ‘thumbs ups’ in just three hours.

Shows the lengths the prejudiced will go to...
Oh well, the Dr Delicious ‘just no’ brigade has somehow hacked the Guardian system and logged an amazing 39,688 ‘thumbs ups’ in just three hours. Shows the lengths the prejudiced will go to... David7
  • Score: -19144

2:02pm Tue 17 Sep 13

David7 says...

Anyway, it will be decided on proper planning issues, as it should be. Not whether or not you want people of a certain colour or religion in your area.
Anyway, it will be decided on proper planning issues, as it should be. Not whether or not you want people of a certain colour or religion in your area. David7
  • Score: -7

2:08pm Tue 17 Sep 13

Giles C says...

David7 wrote:
Anyway, it will be decided on proper planning issues, as it should be. Not whether or not you want people of a certain colour or religion in your area.
As Adrian pointed out though the parking issue is a serious one and incompatible with the way the majority of society operates....
As for multiculturalism that is a problem in that multiple cultures do not tend to homogenise....
[quote][p][bold]David7[/bold] wrote: Anyway, it will be decided on proper planning issues, as it should be. Not whether or not you want people of a certain colour or religion in your area.[/p][/quote]As Adrian pointed out though the parking issue is a serious one and incompatible with the way the majority of society operates.... As for multiculturalism that is a problem in that multiple cultures do not tend to homogenise.... Giles C
  • Score: 19

2:12pm Tue 17 Sep 13

David7 says...

Giles C wrote:
David7 wrote:
Anyway, it will be decided on proper planning issues, as it should be. Not whether or not you want people of a certain colour or religion in your area.
As Adrian pointed out though the parking issue is a serious one and incompatible with the way the majority of society operates....
As for multiculturalism that is a problem in that multiple cultures do not tend to homogenise....
Indeed Giles – parking is a planning issue. Multiculturalism is not.

And those bloomin’ Christians are an inhospitable lot... ;)
[quote][p][bold]Giles C[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David7[/bold] wrote: Anyway, it will be decided on proper planning issues, as it should be. Not whether or not you want people of a certain colour or religion in your area.[/p][/quote]As Adrian pointed out though the parking issue is a serious one and incompatible with the way the majority of society operates.... As for multiculturalism that is a problem in that multiple cultures do not tend to homogenise....[/p][/quote]Indeed Giles – parking is a planning issue. Multiculturalism is not. And those bloomin’ Christians are an inhospitable lot... ;) David7
  • Score: 3

2:23pm Tue 17 Sep 13

GreenBrown says...

"My politics don't come into this, just respect for fellow human beings and behaving towards others as I would wish to be treated myself."

Increasingly, there are a lot of people now living in this country who don't give a **** about how you wish to be treated. Tolerance is fine but not at the expense of your own liberty and way of life. This is the balance that we haven't got in this country. Thankfully people of your mentality are losing the argument and change is on its way. I just hope its not too late.
"My politics don't come into this, just respect for fellow human beings and behaving towards others as I would wish to be treated myself." Increasingly, there are a lot of people now living in this country who don't give a **** about how you wish to be treated. Tolerance is fine but not at the expense of your own liberty and way of life. This is the balance that we haven't got in this country. Thankfully people of your mentality are losing the argument and change is on its way. I just hope its not too late. GreenBrown
  • Score: 16

2:39pm Tue 17 Sep 13

Giles C says...

David7 wrote:
Giles C wrote:
David7 wrote:
Anyway, it will be decided on proper planning issues, as it should be. Not whether or not you want people of a certain colour or religion in your area.
As Adrian pointed out though the parking issue is a serious one and incompatible with the way the majority of society operates....
As for multiculturalism that is a problem in that multiple cultures do not tend to homogenise....
Indeed Giles – parking is a planning issue. Multiculturalism is not.

And those bloomin’ Christians are an inhospitable lot... ;)
I couldn't care whether you are a Jedi let alone a Christian or Muslim but when that religious part of society impinges on the way society or life operates then it shouldn't be allowed to happen....
[quote][p][bold]David7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Giles C[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David7[/bold] wrote: Anyway, it will be decided on proper planning issues, as it should be. Not whether or not you want people of a certain colour or religion in your area.[/p][/quote]As Adrian pointed out though the parking issue is a serious one and incompatible with the way the majority of society operates.... As for multiculturalism that is a problem in that multiple cultures do not tend to homogenise....[/p][/quote]Indeed Giles – parking is a planning issue. Multiculturalism is not. And those bloomin’ Christians are an inhospitable lot... ;)[/p][/quote]I couldn't care whether you are a Jedi let alone a Christian or Muslim but when that religious part of society impinges on the way society or life operates then it shouldn't be allowed to happen.... Giles C
  • Score: 20

2:43pm Tue 17 Sep 13

GreenBrown says...

Does the word d a m n deserve to be ****
Does the word d a m n deserve to be **** GreenBrown
  • Score: -4

3:30pm Tue 17 Sep 13

Binsanity says...

Lets be completely realistic, if Sutton Council can see an opportunity to rake in money, regardless of local issues, they will, whilst ticking various boxes. We do however have Morden Mosque as a template and the obvious congestion problems suffered by local residents, roadusers and businesses. To give permission for this mosque on the main Carshalton Rd amoungst a heavely populated area would be insane but we are talking Sutton Council, god help us.
Lets be completely realistic, if Sutton Council can see an opportunity to rake in money, regardless of local issues, they will, whilst ticking various boxes. We do however have Morden Mosque as a template and the obvious congestion problems suffered by local residents, roadusers and businesses. To give permission for this mosque on the main Carshalton Rd amoungst a heavely populated area would be insane but we are talking Sutton Council, god help us. Binsanity
  • Score: 26

3:58pm Tue 17 Sep 13

1localman says...

Will that mean we will have more people camping in out graveyards ?
Will that mean we will have more people camping in out graveyards ? 1localman
  • Score: 5

4:17pm Tue 17 Sep 13

annon123 says...

They can use the Brighton Road car park, Oh but wait...... no, the council have decided we dont need a car park we need another office block.... but then again will, like they can in Morden where people attending the mosque are allowed to park in permit only parking bay wilthout the need of a permit............a also in the paid parking bays free of charge and on yellow lines.... in there hundreds............
They can use the Brighton Road car park, Oh but wait...... no, the council have decided we dont need a car park we need another office block.... but then again will, like they can in Morden where people attending the mosque are allowed to park in permit only parking bay wilthout the need of a permit............a also in the paid parking bays free of charge and on yellow lines.... in there hundreds............ annon123
  • Score: 27

4:22pm Tue 17 Sep 13

labyrinth says...

Really bad idea. the area is already congested, and this would lead to more traffic going through places like Cheam Village, already chock a block. No, no, no.
Really bad idea. the area is already congested, and this would lead to more traffic going through places like Cheam Village, already chock a block. No, no, no. labyrinth
  • Score: 19

4:28pm Tue 17 Sep 13

Giles C says...

Lets face facts... This is going to go through as the Lib Dems depend on this area of voter to get them reelected... Check out the postal voters on the electoral register and then youll see what i mean...
Lets face facts... This is going to go through as the Lib Dems depend on this area of voter to get them reelected... Check out the postal voters on the electoral register and then youll see what i mean... Giles C
  • Score: 16

5:16pm Tue 17 Sep 13

adrianshort says...

It's not just about the parking. What about seats on the buses? British buses are for people doing traditional British things like going to McDonalds and Asda, not for going to the mosque.

And then there's the hats. Don't get me started...

If this mosque gets the go-ahead then soon Sutton will be like Dhaka, with an estimated population of 15 million, growth of over 4% a year and 90% Muslim. Within six months, probably. Have you seen Morden lately? It's just like that. No-one there speaks English and Christmas has been banned.

I'm not racist. I like curry and Mo Farah when he's winning.
It's not just about the parking. What about seats on the buses? British buses are for people doing traditional British things like going to McDonalds and Asda, not for going to the mosque. And then there's the hats. Don't get me started... If this mosque gets the go-ahead then soon Sutton will be like Dhaka, with an estimated population of 15 million, growth of over 4% a year and 90% Muslim. Within six months, probably. Have you seen Morden lately? It's just like that. No-one there speaks English and Christmas has been banned. I'm not racist. I like curry and Mo Farah when he's winning. adrianshort
  • Score: 24

5:42pm Tue 17 Sep 13

ladyloki says...

Adrian, you've saved me refuting the ridiculous claims on here by countering them with humour. Thank you.
Adrian, you've saved me refuting the ridiculous claims on here by countering them with humour. Thank you. ladyloki
  • Score: -1

6:01pm Tue 17 Sep 13

Giles C says...

But Ladyloki you have a point ....the Lib Dems would rather have an incinerator than a McDonald's and also rather have a mosque than aMcdonalds....
you'll see
But Ladyloki you have a point ....the Lib Dems would rather have an incinerator than a McDonald's and also rather have a mosque than aMcdonalds.... you'll see Giles C
  • Score: 6

6:09pm Tue 17 Sep 13

SouthLondoner65 says...

SO MANY ULTRA BIGOTS! SUCH NASTY, NASTY PEOPLE! YES TO THE MOSQUE, YES TO MULTICULTURISM, NO TO BIGOTED BUFFOONS!
SO MANY ULTRA BIGOTS! SUCH NASTY, NASTY PEOPLE! YES TO THE MOSQUE, YES TO MULTICULTURISM, NO TO BIGOTED BUFFOONS! SouthLondoner65
  • Score: -30

6:18pm Tue 17 Sep 13

Giles C says...

SouthLondoner65 wrote:
SO MANY ULTRA BIGOTS! SUCH NASTY, NASTY PEOPLE! YES TO THE MOSQUE, YES TO MULTICULTURISM, NO TO BIGOTED BUFFOONS!
God your a dope... If you agree with multiculturalism you must be bonkers!!
What this country needs is inclusivity not exclusivity which is what multiculturalism lends itself to.
Cultures have not been made to mix that is the nubb of the problem and you want to add to that!!
[quote][p][bold]SouthLondoner65[/bold] wrote: SO MANY ULTRA BIGOTS! SUCH NASTY, NASTY PEOPLE! YES TO THE MOSQUE, YES TO MULTICULTURISM, NO TO BIGOTED BUFFOONS![/p][/quote]God your a dope... If you agree with multiculturalism you must be bonkers!! What this country needs is inclusivity not exclusivity which is what multiculturalism lends itself to. Cultures have not been made to mix that is the nubb of the problem and you want to add to that!! Giles C
  • Score: 16

6:39pm Tue 17 Sep 13

Binsanity says...

SouthLondoner65 wrote:
SO MANY ULTRA BIGOTS! SUCH NASTY, NASTY PEOPLE! YES TO THE MOSQUE, YES TO MULTICULTURISM, NO TO BIGOTED BUFFOONS!
Open your eyes and ears, there is nothing bigoted, nasty or ultra about local concern. There maybe a sense of uncertainty, insecurity and worry that is localised, which through constructive conversation and commenting could allay fears people may have. Your rant SouthLondoner65 is really not helping to educate anyone about anything, it is what it is. an uneducated rant. Such a shame.
[quote][p][bold]SouthLondoner65[/bold] wrote: SO MANY ULTRA BIGOTS! SUCH NASTY, NASTY PEOPLE! YES TO THE MOSQUE, YES TO MULTICULTURISM, NO TO BIGOTED BUFFOONS![/p][/quote]Open your eyes and ears, there is nothing bigoted, nasty or ultra about local concern. There maybe a sense of uncertainty, insecurity and worry that is localised, which through constructive conversation and commenting could allay fears people may have. Your rant SouthLondoner65 is really not helping to educate anyone about anything, it is what it is. an uneducated rant. Such a shame. Binsanity
  • Score: 13

6:56pm Tue 17 Sep 13

ResidentTony says...

Where are local people of the Muslim faith supposed to pray? St Nicholas church? Trinity church?
Where are local people of the Muslim faith supposed to pray? St Nicholas church? Trinity church? ResidentTony
  • Score: -16

7:24pm Tue 17 Sep 13

Binsanity says...

ResidentTony wrote:
Where are local people of the Muslim faith supposed to pray? St Nicholas church? Trinity church?
"MORDEN MOSQUE", god knows it's big enough to serve the local muslim community for the south of England. What part of the this planet are you Resident....Tony. Don't confuse religious establishments and diocese just to further your really very silly standpoint. Or is that your objective, silly man.
[quote][p][bold]ResidentTony[/bold] wrote: Where are local people of the Muslim faith supposed to pray? St Nicholas church? Trinity church?[/p][/quote]"MORDEN MOSQUE", god knows it's big enough to serve the local muslim community for the south of England. What part of the this planet are you Resident....Tony. Don't confuse religious establishments and diocese just to further your really very silly standpoint. Or is that your objective, silly man. Binsanity
  • Score: 11

7:28pm Tue 17 Sep 13

Giles C says...

ResidentTony wrote:
Where are local people of the Muslim faith supposed to pray? St Nicholas church? Trinity church?
How about Wentworth Hall which used to be a hall for all but was sold by this council to the Muslim group whose head funnily enough used to be Mayor of Sutton...Mr Lal Hussain.....
Funny old world
[quote][p][bold]ResidentTony[/bold] wrote: Where are local people of the Muslim faith supposed to pray? St Nicholas church? Trinity church?[/p][/quote]How about Wentworth Hall which used to be a hall for all but was sold by this council to the Muslim group whose head funnily enough used to be Mayor of Sutton...Mr Lal Hussain..... Funny old world Giles C
  • Score: 14

8:28pm Tue 17 Sep 13

adrianshort says...

Binsanity wrote:
ResidentTony wrote:
Where are local people of the Muslim faith supposed to pray? St Nicholas church? Trinity church?
"MORDEN MOSQUE", god knows it's big enough to serve the local muslim community for the south of England. What part of the this planet are you Resident....Tony. Don't confuse religious establishments and diocese just to further your really very silly standpoint. Or is that your objective, silly man.
@ Binsanity:

Morden Mosque belongs to the Ahmadiyya movement, which is a different branch of Islam from the Deobandis that run the Sutton mosque. Different sects and branches of Islam don't usually share the same mosques in the same way that Catholics, Anglicans, Methodists and Baptists don't usually share the same churches.

But even if the Sutton and Morden mosques were owned by the same branch of Islam, is there some kind of mosque quota I haven't been told about? Or are Muslims allowed to run as many mosques as their numbers can support, just like every other religion in this country?
[quote][p][bold]Binsanity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ResidentTony[/bold] wrote: Where are local people of the Muslim faith supposed to pray? St Nicholas church? Trinity church?[/p][/quote]"MORDEN MOSQUE", god knows it's big enough to serve the local muslim community for the south of England. What part of the this planet are you Resident....Tony. Don't confuse religious establishments and diocese just to further your really very silly standpoint. Or is that your objective, silly man.[/p][/quote]@ Binsanity: Morden Mosque belongs to the Ahmadiyya movement, which is a different branch of Islam from the Deobandis that run the Sutton mosque. Different sects and branches of Islam don't usually share the same mosques in the same way that Catholics, Anglicans, Methodists and Baptists don't usually share the same churches. But even if the Sutton and Morden mosques were owned by the same branch of Islam, is there some kind of mosque quota I haven't been told about? Or are Muslims allowed to run as many mosques as their numbers can support, just like every other religion in this country? adrianshort
  • Score: -8

9:41pm Tue 17 Sep 13

SouthLondoner65 says...

@Binsanity, AKA BIGOTsanity,
I think you'll find I'm very well educated actually. What I resent so deeply in people like you is the fact that you get so worked up about such uninteresting 'news' items. There are a small minority of Muslims in Sutton (who, incidentally, are just as British as you and I) and due to the general world population gradually increasing, they may well need one more place of worship (it's not as if there are many mosques in the borough anyway). There are several churches in the town centre, so why not have a mosque too to accomadate our small Muslim population? You don't like multiculturalism. Indeed, you probably don't like Muslims full stop, whether they are British or not. A mosque opening in Sutton will not effect you, mate. All it will do is help serve a part of our community. You may claim that they live separate lives and want nothing to do with 'us' and that most are a bunch of benefit scrounging immigrants or something of that bigoted ilk but that would be simply untrue. You need to learn to accept people and welcome people - NOT spurt out a load of sensational drivel making out that a mosque opening up will somehow ruin the fabric of our town. If the prospect of a mosque opening in Sutton makes you feel 'insecure' then may I suggest you see a psychiatrist to help you combat your irrational concerns and worries? Good day, sir... Do enjoy your week reading the Daily Mail and commenting angry rants on the UKIP Facebook page! Such fun!
@Binsanity, AKA BIGOTsanity, I think you'll find I'm very well educated actually. What I resent so deeply in people like you is the fact that you get so worked up about such uninteresting 'news' items. There are a small minority of Muslims in Sutton (who, incidentally, are just as British as you and I) and due to the general world population gradually increasing, they may well need one more place of worship (it's not as if there are many mosques in the borough anyway). There are several churches in the town centre, so why not have a mosque too to accomadate our small Muslim population? You don't like multiculturalism. Indeed, you probably don't like Muslims full stop, whether they are British or not. A mosque opening in Sutton will not effect you, mate. All it will do is help serve a part of our community. You may claim that they live separate lives and want nothing to do with 'us' and that most are a bunch of benefit scrounging immigrants or something of that bigoted ilk but that would be simply untrue. You need to learn to accept people and welcome people - NOT spurt out a load of sensational drivel making out that a mosque opening up will somehow ruin the fabric of our town. If the prospect of a mosque opening in Sutton makes you feel 'insecure' then may I suggest you see a psychiatrist to help you combat your irrational concerns and worries? Good day, sir... Do enjoy your week reading the Daily Mail and commenting angry rants on the UKIP Facebook page! Such fun! SouthLondoner65
  • Score: -21

9:48pm Tue 17 Sep 13

Giles C says...

SouthLondoner65 wrote:
@Binsanity, AKA BIGOTsanity,
I think you'll find I'm very well educated actually. What I resent so deeply in people like you is the fact that you get so worked up about such uninteresting 'news' items. There are a small minority of Muslims in Sutton (who, incidentally, are just as British as you and I) and due to the general world population gradually increasing, they may well need one more place of worship (it's not as if there are many mosques in the borough anyway). There are several churches in the town centre, so why not have a mosque too to accomadate our small Muslim population? You don't like multiculturalism. Indeed, you probably don't like Muslims full stop, whether they are British or not. A mosque opening in Sutton will not effect you, mate. All it will do is help serve a part of our community. You may claim that they live separate lives and want nothing to do with 'us' and that most are a bunch of benefit scrounging immigrants or something of that bigoted ilk but that would be simply untrue. You need to learn to accept people and welcome people - NOT spurt out a load of sensational drivel making out that a mosque opening up will somehow ruin the fabric of our town. If the prospect of a mosque opening in Sutton makes you feel 'insecure' then may I suggest you see a psychiatrist to help you combat your irrational concerns and worries? Good day, sir... Do enjoy your week reading the Daily Mail and commenting angry rants on the UKIP Facebook page! Such fun!
You still don't get the problem with Multiculturalism do you South Londoner....
Your little rant there shows you are just as ill informed and bigoted in your own way as you feel Binsanity is towards you and therein lies the problem..
You sound like a spoilt child who if he can't get his own way will scream and stomp his feet until his parents give in..
Engage and then you may find out what all the fuss is about..
[quote][p][bold]SouthLondoner65[/bold] wrote: @Binsanity, AKA BIGOTsanity, I think you'll find I'm very well educated actually. What I resent so deeply in people like you is the fact that you get so worked up about such uninteresting 'news' items. There are a small minority of Muslims in Sutton (who, incidentally, are just as British as you and I) and due to the general world population gradually increasing, they may well need one more place of worship (it's not as if there are many mosques in the borough anyway). There are several churches in the town centre, so why not have a mosque too to accomadate our small Muslim population? You don't like multiculturalism. Indeed, you probably don't like Muslims full stop, whether they are British or not. A mosque opening in Sutton will not effect you, mate. All it will do is help serve a part of our community. You may claim that they live separate lives and want nothing to do with 'us' and that most are a bunch of benefit scrounging immigrants or something of that bigoted ilk but that would be simply untrue. You need to learn to accept people and welcome people - NOT spurt out a load of sensational drivel making out that a mosque opening up will somehow ruin the fabric of our town. If the prospect of a mosque opening in Sutton makes you feel 'insecure' then may I suggest you see a psychiatrist to help you combat your irrational concerns and worries? Good day, sir... Do enjoy your week reading the Daily Mail and commenting angry rants on the UKIP Facebook page! Such fun![/p][/quote]You still don't get the problem with Multiculturalism do you South Londoner.... Your little rant there shows you are just as ill informed and bigoted in your own way as you feel Binsanity is towards you and therein lies the problem.. You sound like a spoilt child who if he can't get his own way will scream and stomp his feet until his parents give in.. Engage and then you may find out what all the fuss is about.. Giles C
  • Score: 2

10:21pm Tue 17 Sep 13

GreenBrown says...

"You need to learn to accept people and welcome people"

Why? Who says so? This is why so called racism continues and will continue in this country. Your way of looking at things has been forced onto the whole population. When something as major as mass immigration is forced onto a country, without any democratic legitimacy, then trouble will always be there. The rise of the so called far right has begun because at last more people are seeing what is going on. In the 50s and 60s it was a few towns up north and parts of London that were effected. Through the 70s and 80s these areas became more densely populated with immigrants, both 1st and 2nd generation. Come the late 90s and into the 2000s with the New Labour sanctioned fresh wave of mass immigration and at last the problem has started to spread into far more towns and cities around the country. All of a sudden a lot more people are being exposed to mass immigration that hadn't been effected before. This along with the mess the current political class has made of the country is the reason why people are voting Ukip and BNP in greater numbers every time there is an election. Mark my words, Ukip will be the 3rd party in England come the next election and then finally you brainwashed idiots will start to take notice.
"You need to learn to accept people and welcome people" Why? Who says so? This is why so called racism continues and will continue in this country. Your way of looking at things has been forced onto the whole population. When something as major as mass immigration is forced onto a country, without any democratic legitimacy, then trouble will always be there. The rise of the so called far right has begun because at last more people are seeing what is going on. In the 50s and 60s it was a few towns up north and parts of London that were effected. Through the 70s and 80s these areas became more densely populated with immigrants, both 1st and 2nd generation. Come the late 90s and into the 2000s with the New Labour sanctioned fresh wave of mass immigration and at last the problem has started to spread into far more towns and cities around the country. All of a sudden a lot more people are being exposed to mass immigration that hadn't been effected before. This along with the mess the current political class has made of the country is the reason why people are voting Ukip and BNP in greater numbers every time there is an election. Mark my words, Ukip will be the 3rd party in England come the next election and then finally you brainwashed idiots will start to take notice. GreenBrown
  • Score: 20

11:45pm Tue 17 Sep 13

staindgirl says...

GilesC - they already do use the B&Q car park on Friday..

I believe Sutton Borough has 7 mosques already listed when this topic came up before though this building, presuming it's still the one opposite B&Q (the map indicated it was further up the Carshalton Road) was included in that 7 I think.
GilesC - they already do use the B&Q car park on Friday.. I believe Sutton Borough has 7 mosques already listed when this topic came up before though this building, presuming it's still the one opposite B&Q (the map indicated it was further up the Carshalton Road) was included in that 7 I think. staindgirl
  • Score: 1

3:07am Wed 18 Sep 13

Something-Wonderful says...

I can see Sutton Council's ruling party banking on a few cheap votes here. I believe the map is wrong and we're looking at what was, the Karate club, or nearby.

It's impractical and not surely not worthy of the number of muslims we have in the locality? The parking and congestion problems are obvious. There are plenty of other places to worship for muslims in the area.

This one of a few buildings that are being appropriated for muslim worship in the borough, against the will of local residents and common sense.

Our Islamic friends seem to appreciate the inclusion our society offers on one hand, but on the other they push the boundaries at every opportunity. Perhaps they are grateful that in this society, we have two hands?
I can see Sutton Council's ruling party banking on a few cheap votes here. I believe the map is wrong and we're looking at what was, the Karate club, or nearby. It's impractical and not surely not worthy of the number of muslims we have in the locality? The parking and congestion problems are obvious. There are plenty of other places to worship for muslims in the area. This one of a few buildings that are being appropriated for muslim worship in the borough, against the will of local residents and common sense. Our Islamic friends seem to appreciate the inclusion our society offers on one hand, but on the other they push the boundaries at every opportunity. Perhaps they are grateful that in this society, we have two hands? Something-Wonderful
  • Score: 12

4:32am Wed 18 Sep 13

DrDelicious says...

David7 wrote:
Oh well, the Dr Delicious ‘just no’ brigade has somehow hacked the Guardian system and logged an amazing 39,688 ‘thumbs ups’ in just three hours.

Shows the lengths the prejudiced will go to...
I can tell from that comment that you read the Daily Mail on a daily basis, nobody has hacked anything (when you learn what hacking means, come back to me). However ‘prejudice’ I am not, I however don’t want Sutton looking like Morden does on a daily basis, you know it’s bad when it’s got the nickname Sharia London. Anyway it seems as if 20k people disagree with you.
[quote][p][bold]David7[/bold] wrote: Oh well, the Dr Delicious ‘just no’ brigade has somehow hacked the Guardian system and logged an amazing 39,688 ‘thumbs ups’ in just three hours. Shows the lengths the prejudiced will go to...[/p][/quote]I can tell from that comment that you read the Daily Mail on a daily basis, nobody has hacked anything (when you learn what hacking means, come back to me). However ‘prejudice’ I am not, I however don’t want Sutton looking like Morden does on a daily basis, you know it’s bad when it’s got the nickname Sharia London. Anyway it seems as if 20k people disagree with you. DrDelicious
  • Score: 52496

2:53pm Wed 18 Sep 13

David7 says...

DrDelicious wrote:
David7 wrote:
Oh well, the Dr Delicious ‘just no’ brigade has somehow hacked the Guardian system and logged an amazing 39,688 ‘thumbs ups’ in just three hours.

Shows the lengths the prejudiced will go to...
I can tell from that comment that you read the Daily Mail on a daily basis, nobody has hacked anything (when you learn what hacking means, come back to me). However ‘prejudice’ I am not, I however don’t want Sutton looking like Morden does on a daily basis, you know it’s bad when it’s got the nickname Sharia London. Anyway it seems as if 20k people disagree with you.
DrDelicious, you conform exactly to the ‘I’m not racist, but...’ stereotype – a lame excuse usually followed by a tirade of racism.

Enjoy your abuse of the ‘thumbs up/down’ system – you’re clearly an expert. I doubt this news item has had more than a couple of hundred individual views. Like the worst of political manipulators, you clearly feel the need to bolster your views by manipulating the numbers.

And the Daily Mail? You do understand it’s just as right-wing and bigoted as you, don’t you? Is is this just another exposition of your rank stupidity?

The worst thing is that you’re not even funny.
[quote][p][bold]DrDelicious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David7[/bold] wrote: Oh well, the Dr Delicious ‘just no’ brigade has somehow hacked the Guardian system and logged an amazing 39,688 ‘thumbs ups’ in just three hours. Shows the lengths the prejudiced will go to...[/p][/quote]I can tell from that comment that you read the Daily Mail on a daily basis, nobody has hacked anything (when you learn what hacking means, come back to me). However ‘prejudice’ I am not, I however don’t want Sutton looking like Morden does on a daily basis, you know it’s bad when it’s got the nickname Sharia London. Anyway it seems as if 20k people disagree with you.[/p][/quote]DrDelicious, you conform exactly to the ‘I’m not racist, but...’ stereotype – a lame excuse usually followed by a tirade of racism. Enjoy your abuse of the ‘thumbs up/down’ system – you’re clearly an expert. I doubt this news item has had more than a couple of hundred individual views. Like the worst of political manipulators, you clearly feel the need to bolster your views by manipulating the numbers. And the Daily Mail? You do understand it’s just as right-wing and bigoted as you, don’t you? Is is this just another exposition of your rank stupidity? The worst thing is that you’re not even funny. David7
  • Score: -1

4:30pm Wed 18 Sep 13

Elle81 says...

IT'S ALREADY BEING USED AS A MOSQUE!!! It has been for roughly a year now!
By breaking the Planning Regulations and using the building for a place of worship without the correct regulations in place they should have their application refused. They are breaking the law after all.......
IT'S ALREADY BEING USED AS A MOSQUE!!! It has been for roughly a year now! By breaking the Planning Regulations and using the building for a place of worship without the correct regulations in place they should have their application refused. They are breaking the law after all....... Elle81
  • Score: 18

9:09pm Wed 18 Sep 13

Sutton53 says...

The building is under planning application to change usage. The building is staying the same. The only issue is the parking outside. It is being changed from a sport leisure (Karate studio) to a place of Worship. I presume it is a 'retrospective planning application? At weekends the building is very busy. The parking is not good especially when there are cars facing the oncoming traffic beyond the designated bay for parking and even then they are parked half on the pavement. Carshalton Road narrows off at that point. The top end of Langley Park Road by B & Q it is a major junction and when the cars are there when people are visiting the Mosque as it stands now, getting around the vehicles is a bit tight to say the least.
The building is under planning application to change usage. The building is staying the same. The only issue is the parking outside. It is being changed from a sport leisure (Karate studio) to a place of Worship. I presume it is a 'retrospective planning application? At weekends the building is very busy. The parking is not good especially when there are cars facing the oncoming traffic beyond the designated bay for parking and even then they are parked half on the pavement. Carshalton Road narrows off at that point. The top end of Langley Park Road by B & Q it is a major junction and when the cars are there when people are visiting the Mosque as it stands now, getting around the vehicles is a bit tight to say the least. Sutton53
  • Score: 11

9:41am Thu 19 Sep 13

Michael Pantlin says...

Elle81 wrote:
IT'S ALREADY BEING USED AS A MOSQUE!!! It has been for roughly a year now!
By breaking the Planning Regulations and using the building for a place of worship without the correct regulations in place they should have their application refused. They are breaking the law after all.......
It's a de facto mosque right now.
[quote][p][bold]Elle81[/bold] wrote: IT'S ALREADY BEING USED AS A MOSQUE!!! It has been for roughly a year now! By breaking the Planning Regulations and using the building for a place of worship without the correct regulations in place they should have their application refused. They are breaking the law after all.......[/p][/quote]It's a de facto mosque right now. Michael Pantlin
  • Score: 4

2:49pm Thu 19 Sep 13

Net_Taxpayer says...

Look up who the Deobandis are, these are the TERRORISTS, the most extreme people you can find, they brought forth many terrorist organizations like the Taliban. But I think William Hague will be happy for the mosque to open there as he is already doing his best to get these terrorist some weapons and money in Syria.
This will definitely be considered Cultural Enrichment, especially if we can get some Re-enactment of what they did (and still do) in Afghanistan and Syria, for example slaughtering of women and children, forced conversion or extermination of other religious groups and minorities, or even chewing on organs of their enemies.

Sutton, just rename it SlaughterAbad
Look up who the Deobandis are, these are the TERRORISTS, the most extreme people you can find, they brought forth many terrorist organizations like the Taliban. But I think William Hague will be happy for the mosque to open there as he is already doing his best to get these terrorist some weapons and money in Syria. This will definitely be considered Cultural Enrichment, especially if we can get some Re-enactment of what they did (and still do) in Afghanistan and Syria, for example slaughtering of women and children, forced conversion or extermination of other religious groups and minorities, or even chewing on organs of their enemies. Sutton, just rename it SlaughterAbad Net_Taxpayer
  • Score: 9

10:11pm Thu 19 Sep 13

SuttonPA says...

I live in the Watergardens just next door to this so called "mosque" former karate club and during Ramadan you could hear the chanting and praying quite clearly up to midnight on a Sunday - not conducive to a good night's sleep for Monday morning. God help us if they get permission and the call to prayer starts at 5am every morning. I'm all for everyone getting on together but they have to have consideration for the residents who have been living there before them without this disruption.
I live in the Watergardens just next door to this so called "mosque" former karate club and during Ramadan you could hear the chanting and praying quite clearly up to midnight on a Sunday - not conducive to a good night's sleep for Monday morning. God help us if they get permission and the call to prayer starts at 5am every morning. I'm all for everyone getting on together but they have to have consideration for the residents who have been living there before them without this disruption. SuttonPA
  • Score: 13

2:36am Fri 20 Sep 13

Suttonresident300 says...

I am disappointed with the narrow-mindedness of some of the commenters here. I am catholic and my boyfriend is Muslim. He was born in Britain and is proud to be British. He would be so upset to read some of the comments here which make sweeping statements about Muslims not integrating with society. If that's your argument, what about those who do? Don't they deserve a place of worship in their community?
I am disappointed with the narrow-mindedness of some of the commenters here. I am catholic and my boyfriend is Muslim. He was born in Britain and is proud to be British. He would be so upset to read some of the comments here which make sweeping statements about Muslims not integrating with society. If that's your argument, what about those who do? Don't they deserve a place of worship in their community? Suttonresident300
  • Score: -11

4:19pm Fri 20 Sep 13

Case2207 says...

What a joke , what about building a school or housing ... Something that is REALLY needed ... Then the old bill will have to watch this one to ... No sorry but think its a joke !! The community need to make a STAND
What a joke , what about building a school or housing ... Something that is REALLY needed ... Then the old bill will have to watch this one to ... No sorry but think its a joke !! The community need to make a STAND Case2207
  • Score: 4

11:54pm Fri 20 Sep 13

GreenBrown says...

Suttonresident300 wrote:
I am disappointed with the narrow-mindedness of some of the commenters here. I am catholic and my boyfriend is Muslim. He was born in Britain and is proud to be British. He would be so upset to read some of the comments here which make sweeping statements about Muslims not integrating with society. If that's your argument, what about those who do? Don't they deserve a place of worship in their community?
So just because people express unease and a dislike for what is being proposed they are automatically narrow-minded. No, they just don't see things the way you do. As for those that do integrate, well, they are in the minority and are themselves being let down by the rest who do not. That will be the tragedy in the end. If immigration was kept in check and the New Labour open door policy hadn't happened then I think this country would have just slowly absorbed those that had come to settle since the 50s and life would have carried on in the same vain, but now there are just too many immigrants in the country, changing the country in some places and it is to the detriment of all of us. Just wait until January and the gates are opened to the Romanians and Bulgarians, that will be the tipping point. I think its going to get pretty dark and awful in this country and it will be the ruling elite and those that follow them's fault.
[quote][p][bold]Suttonresident300[/bold] wrote: I am disappointed with the narrow-mindedness of some of the commenters here. I am catholic and my boyfriend is Muslim. He was born in Britain and is proud to be British. He would be so upset to read some of the comments here which make sweeping statements about Muslims not integrating with society. If that's your argument, what about those who do? Don't they deserve a place of worship in their community?[/p][/quote]So just because people express unease and a dislike for what is being proposed they are automatically narrow-minded. No, they just don't see things the way you do. As for those that do integrate, well, they are in the minority and are themselves being let down by the rest who do not. That will be the tragedy in the end. If immigration was kept in check and the New Labour open door policy hadn't happened then I think this country would have just slowly absorbed those that had come to settle since the 50s and life would have carried on in the same vain, but now there are just too many immigrants in the country, changing the country in some places and it is to the detriment of all of us. Just wait until January and the gates are opened to the Romanians and Bulgarians, that will be the tipping point. I think its going to get pretty dark and awful in this country and it will be the ruling elite and those that follow them's fault. GreenBrown
  • Score: 3

2:52pm Sat 21 Sep 13

nugas50 says...

GreenBrown wrote:
If this is allowed then Sutton will be Just like Morden in 5 to 10 years. If you build it they will come. All week its like the united nations in Morden but on fridays its like driving through Saudi Arabia. Why is that a problem some people might say....it just is and if you don't know why you never will. There are already plenty of places like Morden round the country, Sutton doesn't need to be another one. Beware the steady creep, we've got the halal shop and the kiosk like shop fronts in the high street. A proper mosque will be the nail in the coffin of Sutton as we know it.
Wake up you brits the mussies will overtake you and the next thing will be sharia law. Try building a church in a muslim country if you dare.
[quote][p][bold]GreenBrown[/bold] wrote: If this is allowed then Sutton will be Just like Morden in 5 to 10 years. If you build it they will come. All week its like the united nations in Morden but on fridays its like driving through Saudi Arabia. Why is that a problem some people might say....it just is and if you don't know why you never will. There are already plenty of places like Morden round the country, Sutton doesn't need to be another one. Beware the steady creep, we've got the halal shop and the kiosk like shop fronts in the high street. A proper mosque will be the nail in the coffin of Sutton as we know it.[/p][/quote]Wake up you brits the mussies will overtake you and the next thing will be sharia law. Try building a church in a muslim country if you dare. nugas50
  • Score: 4

2:53pm Sat 21 Sep 13

adrianshort says...

Case2207 wrote:
What a joke , what about building a school or housing ... Something that is REALLY needed ... Then the old bill will have to watch this one to ... No sorry but think its a joke !! The community need to make a STAND
What makes you think that the people who attend this mosque are less likely to be law abiding than anyone else?
[quote][p][bold]Case2207[/bold] wrote: What a joke , what about building a school or housing ... Something that is REALLY needed ... Then the old bill will have to watch this one to ... No sorry but think its a joke !! The community need to make a STAND[/p][/quote]What makes you think that the people who attend this mosque are less likely to be law abiding than anyone else? adrianshort
  • Score: 1

3:21pm Sat 21 Sep 13

adrianshort says...

@ nugas50: "Try building a church in a muslim country if you dare."

Most Islamic countries (however defined) are reasonably tolerant of Christianity and have significant Christian minorities. For example, the Islamic Republic of Pakistan has 2.5 million Christians, 11 cathedrals and dozens of churches.
@ nugas50: "Try building a church in a muslim country if you dare." Most Islamic countries (however defined) are reasonably tolerant of Christianity and have significant Christian minorities. For example, the Islamic Republic of Pakistan has 2.5 million Christians, 11 cathedrals and dozens of churches. adrianshort
  • Score: -3

11:04am Mon 23 Sep 13

jonah80 says...

@ nugas50: "Try building a church in a muslim country if you dare."

Most Islamic countries (however defined) are reasonably tolerant of Christianity and have significant Christian minorities. For example, the Islamic Republic of Pakistan has 2.5 million Christians, 11 cathedrals and dozens of churches.

If you are using Pakistan as an example of how peaceful Muslims are towards other religions, may I point you towards the 2 suicide bombs that went off outside churches yesterday just as sunday servive was ending killing at least 75. Islam is a religion of hate
@ nugas50: "Try building a church in a muslim country if you dare." Most Islamic countries (however defined) are reasonably tolerant of Christianity and have significant Christian minorities. For example, the Islamic Republic of Pakistan has 2.5 million Christians, 11 cathedrals and dozens of churches. If you are using Pakistan as an example of how peaceful Muslims are towards other religions, may I point you towards the 2 suicide bombs that went off outside churches yesterday just as sunday servive was ending killing at least 75. Islam is a religion of hate jonah80
  • Score: 2

11:18am Mon 23 Sep 13

Case2207 says...

@ adrianshort

What you on about . I know people who have to travel far to take kids to school also move out the area from family because there isn't any school or homes
There the biggest mosque in Europe 2 miles down the round in morden . Anyway everyone benifits from a school ( education ) and everyone can benifits from new homes ( over crowded or living on street or sleeping in cars )
I'm not narrow minded at the end off the day everyone is intilted to freedom of speech but there are a lot more practical things that area can be used also like I've mention before there is a mosque in morden
@ adrianshort What you on about . I know people who have to travel far to take kids to school also move out the area from family because there isn't any school or homes There the biggest mosque in Europe 2 miles down the round in morden . Anyway everyone benifits from a school ( education ) and everyone can benifits from new homes ( over crowded or living on street or sleeping in cars ) I'm not narrow minded at the end off the day everyone is intilted to freedom of speech but there are a lot more practical things that area can be used also like I've mention before there is a mosque in morden Case2207
  • Score: 2

10:48pm Mon 23 Sep 13

ResidentTony says...

Has anyone ever thought how Muslim people reading through all this negativity towards them must feel? Sadly they are probably used to it, but that does not make it any better. Without the tremendous contribution that Muslim people make to the UK, many of our dental surgeries would have no dentists, our hospitals would be (even more) short of doctors, our chemists short of pharmacists. And that is just for starters. There are hundreds of thousands of people who follow the religion of Islam in the UK; why try to deny them a small mosque in which to observe their faith?
Has anyone ever thought how Muslim people reading through all this negativity towards them must feel? Sadly they are probably used to it, but that does not make it any better. Without the tremendous contribution that Muslim people make to the UK, many of our dental surgeries would have no dentists, our hospitals would be (even more) short of doctors, our chemists short of pharmacists. And that is just for starters. There are hundreds of thousands of people who follow the religion of Islam in the UK; why try to deny them a small mosque in which to observe their faith? ResidentTony
  • Score: -2

11:22pm Mon 23 Sep 13

GreenBrown says...

ResidentTony wrote:
Has anyone ever thought how Muslim people reading through all this negativity towards them must feel? Sadly they are probably used to it, but that does not make it any better. Without the tremendous contribution that Muslim people make to the UK, many of our dental surgeries would have no dentists, our hospitals would be (even more) short of doctors, our chemists short of pharmacists. And that is just for starters. There are hundreds of thousands of people who follow the religion of Islam in the UK; why try to deny them a small mosque in which to observe their faith?
Yes, they do us a real big favour by doing all these well paid jobs. The question you should be asking is why do we not have enough English doctors, surgeons, nurses etc. in this country. We've got some of the best universities in the world and up until a few years ago, before they dumbed it all down, our education system was capable of producing pretty educated school leavers, so why such a shortage? It's not exactly an undesirable job, with its good wages and status etc.

As for peoples feelings, well, i'm fairly sure they're not interested in what us infidels are saying anyway and I would be against any faith other than CofE building a place of worship because it just continues the segregation of different communities within this country. I don't think all these different and alien religions should be encouraged. Religion in this country was slowly on the way out. Now it is back and growing and I don't think it is the way to progress. We're being dragged back. Having to debate about burqas and hijabs etc. People burning flags and beheading people. Its like being back in the dark ages.
[quote][p][bold]ResidentTony[/bold] wrote: Has anyone ever thought how Muslim people reading through all this negativity towards them must feel? Sadly they are probably used to it, but that does not make it any better. Without the tremendous contribution that Muslim people make to the UK, many of our dental surgeries would have no dentists, our hospitals would be (even more) short of doctors, our chemists short of pharmacists. And that is just for starters. There are hundreds of thousands of people who follow the religion of Islam in the UK; why try to deny them a small mosque in which to observe their faith?[/p][/quote]Yes, they do us a real big favour by doing all these well paid jobs. The question you should be asking is why do we not have enough English doctors, surgeons, nurses etc. in this country. We've got some of the best universities in the world and up until a few years ago, before they dumbed it all down, our education system was capable of producing pretty educated school leavers, so why such a shortage? It's not exactly an undesirable job, with its good wages and status etc. As for peoples feelings, well, i'm fairly sure they're not interested in what us infidels are saying anyway and I would be against any faith other than CofE building a place of worship because it just continues the segregation of different communities within this country. I don't think all these different and alien religions should be encouraged. Religion in this country was slowly on the way out. Now it is back and growing and I don't think it is the way to progress. We're being dragged back. Having to debate about burqas and hijabs etc. People burning flags and beheading people. Its like being back in the dark ages. GreenBrown
  • Score: 2

11:31pm Mon 23 Sep 13

Forty_two says...

I know people feel passionately about this issue, but do you realise that our local hospital is under threat of almost total closure? C'mon people, is this more important than the fight to save St. Helier?
I know people feel passionately about this issue, but do you realise that our local hospital is under threat of almost total closure? C'mon people, is this more important than the fight to save St. Helier? Forty_two
  • Score: 1

10:08am Tue 24 Sep 13

GreenBrown says...

Both issues are important and both are symptoms of the state of this country. I think people are capable of caring about more than one issue.
Both issues are important and both are symptoms of the state of this country. I think people are capable of caring about more than one issue. GreenBrown
  • Score: 3

4:05pm Mon 30 Sep 13

only me mate says...

Giles C wrote:
The pragmatic point here is that there isnt any car parking here unless you use the B&Q carpark who im sure would be delighted at getting an influx of religious worshippers every Friday Lunchtime...
Thats not racist Adrian just the reality....
Already happening, they are using or were using the building and parking in B&Q..And according to this already in use..
http://www.mosquedir
ectory.co.uk/mosques
/england/london/sutt
on/carshalton/Shah-J
alal-Islamic-Centre-
Sutton-Sutton/1287
[quote][p][bold]Giles C[/bold] wrote: The pragmatic point here is that there isnt any car parking here unless you use the B&Q carpark who im sure would be delighted at getting an influx of religious worshippers every Friday Lunchtime... Thats not racist Adrian just the reality....[/p][/quote]Already happening, they are using or were using the building and parking in B&Q..And according to this already in use.. http://www.mosquedir ectory.co.uk/mosques /england/london/sutt on/carshalton/Shah-J alal-Islamic-Centre- Sutton-Sutton/1287 only me mate
  • Score: 0

5:55pm Wed 2 Oct 13

dontcarenomore24 says...

There all read a mosque in morden aint they heard about buses why do we want more if we go to there country and ask to put a church there they will shot use so no more mosques go to where there is one.
There all read a mosque in morden aint they heard about buses why do we want more if we go to there country and ask to put a church there they will shot use so no more mosques go to where there is one. dontcarenomore24
  • Score: 1

4:02pm Fri 4 Oct 13

labyrinth says...

ResidentTony wrote:
Has anyone ever thought how Muslim people reading through all this negativity towards them must feel? Sadly they are probably used to it, but that does not make it any better. Without the tremendous contribution that Muslim people make to the UK, many of our dental surgeries would have no dentists, our hospitals would be (even more) short of doctors, our chemists short of pharmacists. And that is just for starters. There are hundreds of thousands of people who follow the religion of Islam in the UK; why try to deny them a small mosque in which to observe their faith?
I have no negative feelings towards Muslims whatsoever. I do however feel very strongly that Sutton is already crammed with traffic and that such a development would make things even worse. The largest mosque in Europe is just 2 miles away. This proposal should be rejected.
[quote][p][bold]ResidentTony[/bold] wrote: Has anyone ever thought how Muslim people reading through all this negativity towards them must feel? Sadly they are probably used to it, but that does not make it any better. Without the tremendous contribution that Muslim people make to the UK, many of our dental surgeries would have no dentists, our hospitals would be (even more) short of doctors, our chemists short of pharmacists. And that is just for starters. There are hundreds of thousands of people who follow the religion of Islam in the UK; why try to deny them a small mosque in which to observe their faith?[/p][/quote]I have no negative feelings towards Muslims whatsoever. I do however feel very strongly that Sutton is already crammed with traffic and that such a development would make things even worse. The largest mosque in Europe is just 2 miles away. This proposal should be rejected. labyrinth
  • Score: 0

Comments are closed on this article.

click2find

About cookies

We want you to enjoy your visit to our website. That's why we use cookies to enhance your experience. By staying on our website you agree to our use of cookies. Find out more about the cookies we use.

I agree