It's official - Sutton is a nice place to live

Sutton Guardian: Nine out of 10 people who live in Sutton say they like it Nine out of 10 people who live in Sutton say they like it

Nine out of 10 people in Sutton say it is a good place to live.

The figure makes Sutton one of the most popular boroughs in London with 91 per cent of people saying they enjoy living here compared to an outer London average of 79 per cent and an inner-city average of 89 per cent.

The statistics, published by pollsters Ipsos MORI show the main thing people in Sutton like is the low crime rate although people also feel people from different backgrounds get on well in the borough.

Councillor Ruth Dombey, leader of Sutton Council, said: "These results show that our policy of putting the views of our residents first is working and the vast majority of Sutton residents are happy with their local area.

"Against the backdrop of a challenging economic climate and unprecedented cuts to local authority budgets Sutton remains resilient and not only has satisfaction remained steady, but also it is higher than rates seen in other parts of London."

The main area of dissatisfaction for people living in the borough is the state of the roads. The condition of the borough's highways is a concern for 43 per cent of those who took the survey.

Coun Dombey added: "We cannot be complacent. We know that there are more thanks we need to do to continue increasing local satisfaction.

"More needs to be done to improve the condition of some of our roads, and we have already begun to tackle this issue.

"As public finances tighten even further we will continue to work with residents to prioritise their concerns and agree with them how we work together to ensure Sutton continues to be a great place to live."

 

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1:12pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Michael Pantlin says...

Well the immigrunts would say that, wouldn't they? Personally I feel Sutton is overcrowded, Most times whenever you try to move anywhere there is already one or more people trying to do the same thing ending up in congestion. When I moved here from Tooting Broadway in 1988 it felt like there was much more space and it wasn't so claustrophobic. Can't we put up a SUTTON FULL UP GO SOMEWHERE ELSE sign?
Well the immigrunts would say that, wouldn't they? Personally I feel Sutton is overcrowded, Most times whenever you try to move anywhere there is already one or more people trying to do the same thing ending up in congestion. When I moved here from Tooting Broadway in 1988 it felt like there was much more space and it wasn't so claustrophobic. Can't we put up a SUTTON FULL UP GO SOMEWHERE ELSE sign? Michael Pantlin

1:37pm Mon 3 Feb 14

palmerpalmer81 says...

whot a lode of looneys
whot a lode of looneys palmerpalmer81

1:47pm Mon 3 Feb 14

GreenBrown says...

Indeed, a lot of people living in Sutton now have come from inner London and other dumps. They are always going to say Sutton is a nice place to live because compared to say Mitcham or Tooting or the Eastern block or Asia or Africa, it is. Of course, people have always moved to Sutton from London and years ago, when Sutton was in suburbia, it was relatively quiet and a nice place to bring up a family etc. Many of those that came in the 60s, 70s and 80s have long since gone as Sutton has become a lot busier and cosmopolitan. It's called white flight and the very fact that it happened and is still happening, just highlights that all is not well in this liberal utopia. If you can actually remember how nice and pretty Sutton was in the past and a look at the old pictures of the town and its green spaces confirm this, then you would know that Sutton today is a poor shadow of its former self.
Indeed, a lot of people living in Sutton now have come from inner London and other dumps. They are always going to say Sutton is a nice place to live because compared to say Mitcham or Tooting or the Eastern block or Asia or Africa, it is. Of course, people have always moved to Sutton from London and years ago, when Sutton was in suburbia, it was relatively quiet and a nice place to bring up a family etc. Many of those that came in the 60s, 70s and 80s have long since gone as Sutton has become a lot busier and cosmopolitan. It's called white flight and the very fact that it happened and is still happening, just highlights that all is not well in this liberal utopia. If you can actually remember how nice and pretty Sutton was in the past and a look at the old pictures of the town and its green spaces confirm this, then you would know that Sutton today is a poor shadow of its former self. GreenBrown

2:53pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Michael Pantlin says...

GreenBrown wrote:
Indeed, a lot of people living in Sutton now have come from inner London and other dumps. They are always going to say Sutton is a nice place to live because compared to say Mitcham or Tooting or the Eastern block or Asia or Africa, it is. Of course, people have always moved to Sutton from London and years ago, when Sutton was in suburbia, it was relatively quiet and a nice place to bring up a family etc. Many of those that came in the 60s, 70s and 80s have long since gone as Sutton has become a lot busier and cosmopolitan. It's called white flight and the very fact that it happened and is still happening, just highlights that all is not well in this liberal utopia. If you can actually remember how nice and pretty Sutton was in the past and a look at the old pictures of the town and its green spaces confirm this, then you would know that Sutton today is a poor shadow of its former self.
Sutton used to be a very nice place, see Facebook - Old Sutton page at
https://www.facebook
.com/groups/42807590
68/?fref=ts
[quote][p][bold]GreenBrown[/bold] wrote: Indeed, a lot of people living in Sutton now have come from inner London and other dumps. They are always going to say Sutton is a nice place to live because compared to say Mitcham or Tooting or the Eastern block or Asia or Africa, it is. Of course, people have always moved to Sutton from London and years ago, when Sutton was in suburbia, it was relatively quiet and a nice place to bring up a family etc. Many of those that came in the 60s, 70s and 80s have long since gone as Sutton has become a lot busier and cosmopolitan. It's called white flight and the very fact that it happened and is still happening, just highlights that all is not well in this liberal utopia. If you can actually remember how nice and pretty Sutton was in the past and a look at the old pictures of the town and its green spaces confirm this, then you would know that Sutton today is a poor shadow of its former self.[/p][/quote]Sutton used to be a very nice place, see Facebook - Old Sutton page at https://www.facebook .com/groups/42807590 68/?fref=ts Michael Pantlin

2:57am Tue 4 Feb 14

ResidentTony says...

Trust Michael Pantlin and GreenBrown to be in 9% rather than the 91%. Eric Berne's excellent book "The Games People Play" springs to mind here. One of the games is called "Ain't it Awful".

These two love this game!!

I, however, prefer, to look on the bright side of life.

Sutton has great theatres, libraries, bookshops (Waterstones et al), restaurants, the most environmentally friendly housing in the world (Bedzed). Its parks are second to none - that's why Nonsuch is so named.
Trust Michael Pantlin and GreenBrown to be in 9% rather than the 91%. Eric Berne's excellent book "The Games People Play" springs to mind here. One of the games is called "Ain't it Awful". These two love this game!! I, however, prefer, to look on the bright side of life. Sutton has great theatres, libraries, bookshops (Waterstones et al), restaurants, the most environmentally friendly housing in the world (Bedzed). Its parks are second to none - that's why Nonsuch is so named. ResidentTony

10:04am Tue 4 Feb 14

Giles C says...

ResidentTony wrote:
Trust Michael Pantlin and GreenBrown to be in 9% rather than the 91%. Eric Berne's excellent book "The Games People Play" springs to mind here. One of the games is called "Ain't it Awful".

These two love this game!!

I, however, prefer, to look on the bright side of life.

Sutton has great theatres, libraries, bookshops (Waterstones et al), restaurants, the most environmentally friendly housing in the world (Bedzed). Its parks are second to none - that's why Nonsuch is so named.
Interesting Tony as i read Games people play for my degree and also remember the "triangulation" play where you play people off against each other.
The administration are brilliant at this..

As for Sutton yes it is a nice place in the main to live but it always has been..its just how quickly is it now deteriorating..
[quote][p][bold]ResidentTony[/bold] wrote: Trust Michael Pantlin and GreenBrown to be in 9% rather than the 91%. Eric Berne's excellent book "The Games People Play" springs to mind here. One of the games is called "Ain't it Awful". These two love this game!! I, however, prefer, to look on the bright side of life. Sutton has great theatres, libraries, bookshops (Waterstones et al), restaurants, the most environmentally friendly housing in the world (Bedzed). Its parks are second to none - that's why Nonsuch is so named.[/p][/quote]Interesting Tony as i read Games people play for my degree and also remember the "triangulation" play where you play people off against each other. The administration are brilliant at this.. As for Sutton yes it is a nice place in the main to live but it always has been..its just how quickly is it now deteriorating.. Giles C

5:48pm Tue 4 Feb 14

ResidentTony says...

I think it is improving!!
I think it is improving!! ResidentTony

5:52pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Giles C says...

ResidentTony wrote:
I think it is improving!!
Perhaps we could start another of Eric Bernes games Tony....
If it's improving has it been improving throughout the 27 year life of this administration?
[quote][p][bold]ResidentTony[/bold] wrote: I think it is improving!![/p][/quote]Perhaps we could start another of Eric Bernes games Tony.... If it's improving has it been improving throughout the 27 year life of this administration? Giles C

11:37pm Tue 4 Feb 14

ResidentTony says...

Since the late 80s Sutton's fate has owed as much to national govt and world economic conditions as to local govt. But I don't share the jaundiced view of the lib dems of some. Since around 2000, Sutton has been improving. It weathered the 2009- 2013 downturn pretty well, and looks set for further improvement over the next few years.
Since the late 80s Sutton's fate has owed as much to national govt and world economic conditions as to local govt. But I don't share the jaundiced view of the lib dems of some. Since around 2000, Sutton has been improving. It weathered the 2009- 2013 downturn pretty well, and looks set for further improvement over the next few years. ResidentTony

7:26am Wed 5 Feb 14

theavengers says...

schools are overcrowded, prices for simple flats have risen to unaffordable for most, politically it's a mess, and it has a stench of dirty. 12 years living here and i've seen a steady decline, mainly due to unwanted immigration. fact
schools are overcrowded, prices for simple flats have risen to unaffordable for most, politically it's a mess, and it has a stench of dirty. 12 years living here and i've seen a steady decline, mainly due to unwanted immigration. fact theavengers

10:19am Wed 5 Feb 14

Giles C says...

ResidentTony wrote:
Since the late 80s Sutton's fate has owed as much to national govt and world economic conditions as to local govt. But I don't share the jaundiced view of the lib dems of some. Since around 2000, Sutton has been improving. It weathered the 2009- 2013 downturn pretty well, and looks set for further improvement over the next few years.
I just love Resident Tony and his inability to see what is hitting a lot of other people in the face...Sutton is all image and not a lot of substance which interestingly enough mirrors the Lib Dems.
Its all cosmetic Tony....
[quote][p][bold]ResidentTony[/bold] wrote: Since the late 80s Sutton's fate has owed as much to national govt and world economic conditions as to local govt. But I don't share the jaundiced view of the lib dems of some. Since around 2000, Sutton has been improving. It weathered the 2009- 2013 downturn pretty well, and looks set for further improvement over the next few years.[/p][/quote]I just love Resident Tony and his inability to see what is hitting a lot of other people in the face...Sutton is all image and not a lot of substance which interestingly enough mirrors the Lib Dems. Its all cosmetic Tony.... Giles C

8:19pm Wed 5 Feb 14

GreenBrown says...

"the most environmentally friendly housing in the world (Bedzed)"

I'm not so sure about that. I'm not sure it's the marvel you think it is or you have been told it is and ultimately it was built on Metropolitan Green Belt land. Hardly eco-friendly. I heard the wood chip burners don't work and never have or so i've been told. I don't know if it's true, but if it is then that must have had an effect on the overall scheme.

If you really think Sutton has improved since 2000 then you must want and expect different things from life than me. How will the likes of you cope when things eventually change in this country, as they will soon enough.
"the most environmentally friendly housing in the world (Bedzed)" I'm not so sure about that. I'm not sure it's the marvel you think it is or you have been told it is and ultimately it was built on Metropolitan Green Belt land. Hardly eco-friendly. I heard the wood chip burners don't work and never have or so i've been told. I don't know if it's true, but if it is then that must have had an effect on the overall scheme. If you really think Sutton has improved since 2000 then you must want and expect different things from life than me. How will the likes of you cope when things eventually change in this country, as they will soon enough. GreenBrown

9:35pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Monstermunch17 says...

The more.people that come into the Borough from outside of the UK, the better place Sutton becomes. Culturally richer, more diverse, more interesting, and ultimately, more attractive. A melting pot of influences.
No-wants a monoculture.
The more.people that come into the Borough from outside of the UK, the better place Sutton becomes. Culturally richer, more diverse, more interesting, and ultimately, more attractive. A melting pot of influences. No-wants a monoculture. Monstermunch17

10:56pm Wed 5 Feb 14

ResidentTony says...

Monstermunch17 wrote:
The more.people that come into the Borough from outside of the UK, the better place Sutton becomes. Culturally richer, more diverse, more interesting, and ultimately, more attractive. A melting pot of influences.
No-wants a monoculture.
Agree with Monstermuch17. The fact that Sutton has got a little more diverse is a good thing. It's still one of the least diverse boroughs in London, though.

As to property prices, if you think prices are high here, check out the crazy prices in the likes of Merton and Wandsworth - to name but two. But I sympathise with those who can't join the property ladder, a national problem exacerbated by planning law inadequacies.
[quote][p][bold]Monstermunch17[/bold] wrote: The more.people that come into the Borough from outside of the UK, the better place Sutton becomes. Culturally richer, more diverse, more interesting, and ultimately, more attractive. A melting pot of influences. No-wants a monoculture.[/p][/quote]Agree with Monstermuch17. The fact that Sutton has got a little more diverse is a good thing. It's still one of the least diverse boroughs in London, though. As to property prices, if you think prices are high here, check out the crazy prices in the likes of Merton and Wandsworth - to name but two. But I sympathise with those who can't join the property ladder, a national problem exacerbated by planning law inadequacies. ResidentTony

11:57pm Wed 5 Feb 14

GreenBrown says...

"But I sympathise with those who can't join the property ladder, a national problem exacerbated by planning law inadequacies."

See this is where people like you just don't make sense. You celebrate mass immigration, but concede that there is a housing problem. One of the main reasons that property prices have soared is that there is a shortage of them. This has been a problem for many years. Successive governments have done little to address the situation. With that in mind, surely you can see that it wasn't wise to allow 4 million + extra people to flock to the UK over the last 15 years. We didn't and don't have enough housing and now we need to find it for 4 million more people. This is madness and mismanagement on a grand scale. Some say that the answer is to build millions more houses to keep up with demand, but I think i'd prefer to shrink our population and save our green fields. If we build more houses they will just fill up and more will be needed and on and on it will go. Look at the new towns like Milton Keynes and Stevenage, they are full up and expanding still. This problem will be never ending unless measures are put in place to stop the population increasing and ruining further, the bits of this country that are still worth saving. You idiots, with your neo-liberal ideals are so busy destroying the very country that grew you and allowed you think how you want to think, that you can't see where it's all heading and to what end.
"But I sympathise with those who can't join the property ladder, a national problem exacerbated by planning law inadequacies." See this is where people like you just don't make sense. You celebrate mass immigration, but concede that there is a housing problem. One of the main reasons that property prices have soared is that there is a shortage of them. This has been a problem for many years. Successive governments have done little to address the situation. With that in mind, surely you can see that it wasn't wise to allow 4 million + extra people to flock to the UK over the last 15 years. We didn't and don't have enough housing and now we need to find it for 4 million more people. This is madness and mismanagement on a grand scale. Some say that the answer is to build millions more houses to keep up with demand, but I think i'd prefer to shrink our population and save our green fields. If we build more houses they will just fill up and more will be needed and on and on it will go. Look at the new towns like Milton Keynes and Stevenage, they are full up and expanding still. This problem will be never ending unless measures are put in place to stop the population increasing and ruining further, the bits of this country that are still worth saving. You idiots, with your neo-liberal ideals are so busy destroying the very country that grew you and allowed you think how you want to think, that you can't see where it's all heading and to what end. GreenBrown

2:11am Thu 6 Feb 14

ResidentTony says...

The population explosion has been underway for centuries, nay millennia. Human ingenuity has always taken this phenomenon in its stride and still does.
The population explosion has been underway for centuries, nay millennia. Human ingenuity has always taken this phenomenon in its stride and still does. ResidentTony

5:20pm Thu 6 Feb 14

GreenBrown says...

You just don't have any answers do you. After the second world war the average family size for an English couple started to shrink. From about the early 90s the average was about 2 kids a couple. Our population was starting to stabilize. The high birthrates we are seeing now are not coming from the English, it is foreign born mothers that are giving birth and in some communities it's more like 4 - 6 children. Even if you were right, that still doesn't make recent mass immigration a good idea. We would still have a lack of housing, but with an extra 4 million people to house. As I said, you neo-liberals are idiots and there is no reasoning with you. If the facts go against your twisted world view then you ignore them. Your pathetic.
You just don't have any answers do you. After the second world war the average family size for an English couple started to shrink. From about the early 90s the average was about 2 kids a couple. Our population was starting to stabilize. The high birthrates we are seeing now are not coming from the English, it is foreign born mothers that are giving birth and in some communities it's more like 4 - 6 children. Even if you were right, that still doesn't make recent mass immigration a good idea. We would still have a lack of housing, but with an extra 4 million people to house. As I said, you neo-liberals are idiots and there is no reasoning with you. If the facts go against your twisted world view then you ignore them. Your pathetic. GreenBrown

3:43am Fri 7 Feb 14

Monstermunch17 says...

Greenbrown,

Blaming the pressures on housing on the local immigrant population is classic scapegoating, and the result of divide-and-rule propaganda from vested interests, (and the far-right), being swallowed whole by a gullible section of the populace, who then poison the public debate.

The housing shortage is due to a new era of cheap borrowing, allied with a financial system that has encouraged a Buy-to-let boom and foreign capital treating the London property market as an investment tool, rather than homes for people to live in.
Greenbrown, Blaming the pressures on housing on the local immigrant population is classic scapegoating, and the result of divide-and-rule propaganda from vested interests, (and the far-right), being swallowed whole by a gullible section of the populace, who then poison the public debate. The housing shortage is due to a new era of cheap borrowing, allied with a financial system that has encouraged a Buy-to-let boom and foreign capital treating the London property market as an investment tool, rather than homes for people to live in. Monstermunch17

11:25pm Fri 7 Feb 14

GreenBrown says...

Monstermunch17 wrote:
Greenbrown,

Blaming the pressures on housing on the local immigrant population is classic scapegoating, and the result of divide-and-rule propaganda from vested interests, (and the far-right), being swallowed whole by a gullible section of the populace, who then poison the public debate.

The housing shortage is due to a new era of cheap borrowing, allied with a financial system that has encouraged a Buy-to-let boom and foreign capital treating the London property market as an investment tool, rather than homes for people to live in.
The thing is, not once did I blame immigrants for the housing crisis. I just made the point that we have a housing crisis and that allowing more people into the country just puts further pressure on already inadequate resources. Maybe you should actually read what is written instead of seeing the word 'immigrant' and knee jerking your reactions. I agree with your last sentence, but the point I made before still stands......

""surely you can see that it wasn't wise to allow 4 million + extra people to flock to the UK over the last 15 years. We didn't and don't have enough housing and now we need to find it for 4 million more people.""

of course, why give an answer when you can just accuse someone of being right-wing and gullible and hope it closes the argument down. I don't like mass immigration, but that is irrelevant to what i'm saying. This is simple mathematics and logic. If you don't have enough of something, you don't solve that problem by creating more demand. Not only have they brainwashed you lot, they've taken away your ability to think rationally.

As for 'divide-and-rule propaganda from vested interests', what on earth do you think the BBC and The Guardian do every single day. They reinforce the lefty, liberal agenda that has brainwashed so many people in this country over the last few decades. Far-right is basically Nationalism, no bad thing. They don't mind calling on a bit of nationalism when it suits, like when they want to go fight a war etc. Any other time it's considered a bad thing because nationalism gets in the way of global business. You want to see a bit of divide and rule just look at what they've achieved in this country. The far-right hasn't been in power, but we've never been so divided. Our 'normal' governments have destroyed the sense of community that once existed, decimated our manufacturing industries, so all we've got now is mind numbing services jobs. High unemployment, a failing NHS, a failing education system etc etc. Most people don't have anything to believe in. Record numbers of people and children are on anti-depressants. High crime rates, massive alcohol and drug abuse. We have become a nation ripe for things like European takeover and mass immigration. Whole towns are now essentially occupied by foreigners and we just except it. Our laws are made or under-minded in a foreign court and we just except it. Our forefathers would be appalled at what is going on in this country today. They wouldn't have excepted any of this which is why they had to change our society and they succeeded, or at least when it comes to people like you.
[quote][p][bold]Monstermunch17[/bold] wrote: Greenbrown, Blaming the pressures on housing on the local immigrant population is classic scapegoating, and the result of divide-and-rule propaganda from vested interests, (and the far-right), being swallowed whole by a gullible section of the populace, who then poison the public debate. The housing shortage is due to a new era of cheap borrowing, allied with a financial system that has encouraged a Buy-to-let boom and foreign capital treating the London property market as an investment tool, rather than homes for people to live in.[/p][/quote]The thing is, not once did I blame immigrants for the housing crisis. I just made the point that we have a housing crisis and that allowing more people into the country just puts further pressure on already inadequate resources. Maybe you should actually read what is written instead of seeing the word 'immigrant' and knee jerking your reactions. I agree with your last sentence, but the point I made before still stands...... ""surely you can see that it wasn't wise to allow 4 million + extra people to flock to the UK over the last 15 years. We didn't and don't have enough housing and now we need to find it for 4 million more people."" of course, why give an answer when you can just accuse someone of being right-wing and gullible and hope it closes the argument down. I don't like mass immigration, but that is irrelevant to what i'm saying. This is simple mathematics and logic. If you don't have enough of something, you don't solve that problem by creating more demand. Not only have they brainwashed you lot, they've taken away your ability to think rationally. As for 'divide-and-rule propaganda from vested interests', what on earth do you think the BBC and The Guardian do every single day. They reinforce the lefty, liberal agenda that has brainwashed so many people in this country over the last few decades. Far-right is basically Nationalism, no bad thing. They don't mind calling on a bit of nationalism when it suits, like when they want to go fight a war etc. Any other time it's considered a bad thing because nationalism gets in the way of global business. You want to see a bit of divide and rule just look at what they've achieved in this country. The far-right hasn't been in power, but we've never been so divided. Our 'normal' governments have destroyed the sense of community that once existed, decimated our manufacturing industries, so all we've got now is mind numbing services jobs. High unemployment, a failing NHS, a failing education system etc etc. Most people don't have anything to believe in. Record numbers of people and children are on anti-depressants. High crime rates, massive alcohol and drug abuse. We have become a nation ripe for things like European takeover and mass immigration. Whole towns are now essentially occupied by foreigners and we just except it. Our laws are made or under-minded in a foreign court and we just except it. Our forefathers would be appalled at what is going on in this country today. They wouldn't have excepted any of this which is why they had to change our society and they succeeded, or at least when it comes to people like you. GreenBrown

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