Spot the difference - images of sports dome planned for Cheam

Spot the difference - images of planned sports dome

An artist's impression provided by the school. It shows the dome with planned additional planting and landscaping

An artist's impression provided by campaigners. It shows the planned 45ft dome

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Can you spot the difference between these two images of a proposed  45ft tall sports dome?

The one where the dome is almost invisible behind trees and planting was released this week by Nonsuch High School for Girls in Ewell Road, Cheam, the other was put out by campaigners opposed to its plans.

The images were released as the school revealed that it is now looking at reducing the height of the dome, near to Nonsuch Park, following criticism from residents and councillors.

Headteacher Peter Gale said yesterday: "We are working with the architects to see if the dome can be lowered by 3 metres (approximately 10 feet).

"We are considering lowering after listening to some of the points made by local councillors and residents. The school is very happy to listen to practical suggestions that help all interested parties."

He explained that the images released by the school of how the 45 ft high dome would look are: "visual verifiable montage’ VVM - this means they are correctly scaled verifiable images showing the proposed development and its surroundings before and after the landscaping."

The proposed dome would be the size of three netball courts next to Warren Farm, which comprises grass and woods owned by conservation charity the Woodland Trust.

Sutton Guardian:

Image of the dome before planting, provided by school

In response to concerns raised over traffic at the proposed sports centre, he said: "We are very happy to work with local residents to support a 20mph speed limit outside the school.

"There will be more than 51 car parking spaces available on site in the evening, since the existing staff car parks would become available.

"We are considering how we could improve pedestrian/cycle access. There would be little extra traffic at peak times."

He said many residents and community groups are in favour of the dome, adding: "We will try to balance the needs of the students with the concerns expressed by some residents."

In response to the proposed lowering of the dome, objector Neil Denny, said: "On a basic level that’s good news.

Sutton Guardian:

Image of dome after planting, provided by school

"A smaller dome is better than a bigger dome but that’s about a third of the problem. There would still be a flood-lit all-weather pitch and running track, which would create noise, traffic and congestion in Cheam."

In an objection submitted to Epsom Council, Suzanne Burrell of Holmwood Close, Cheam, raised concerns over traffic, noise pollution and lighting at night.

She said: "The proposed 45ft structure would dwarf the local trees and would be a permanent eyesore as is not in keeping with the local architecture.

"Please safeguard the beauty and quality of life the local area currently offers by declining permission.

"Should it be allowed to go ahead, I for one, would consider moving away from an area I have lived in for around 30 years."

See the plans, with reference number 13/01517/FUL, at http://eplanning.epsom-ewell.gov.uk/online-applications/.

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9:38am Thu 8 May 14

Neill Denny says...

Just two add a couple of things to Alice's excellent report...

It isn't clear to me from this piece whether the artists impressions the school have released are of the original 45ft dome, or the new lower one. We put our impression togther based on the plans submitted to the council, which are for a 45ft dome. As yet, the official planning website has nothing on it about a 35ft dome.

It's also worth bearing in mind when looking at these two impressions that the school's version is taken from down the hill below the dome site, in the valley bottom, and so, looking up the hill, much of the dome is hidden. Our view is taken from the other side of the valley, at the same elevation as the dome, so revealing more of its actual size.

As I say in the piece, the sheer size of the dome is only part of the problem, and of course a less intrusive dome is welcome, but it will still be translucent (so glowing at night) and all the impressions above are taken in summer when the trees are in leaf - in winter it will be far more visible. It is also held aloft by air pressure, powered by a continously running generator.

The wider development - the paved 400m running track, paviliion and flood-lit hockey pitch, plus the dome, will generate higher congestion and traffic in Cheam village, plus noise and light pollution in all the surrounding area. Warrren Farm is part of a continuous open space with Nonsuch Park, so this represents an imposition on the wider green space and its wildlife. Quite why the school needs this enormous expansion of its sports facilities when it has already established a David Lloyd sports centre in another part of its grounds - to which the pupils already have access - remains a complete mystery.

The plans also speak of the use of these new facilities until 10pm at night, in weekends and holidays, and its use by adult clubs and teams from right across the region. In peak times 51 car spaces are never going to be enough. Furthermore, despite the land in question being in Epsom & Ewell, all the traffic will be funneled out on to the Cheam Road in a completely different borough. I think I am right in saying that Sutton did not even know what the school were planning until Alice's initial reports in April! Very few people received letters informing them of the school's plans so I am delighted that more people are now aware of what is being proposed.
Just two add a couple of things to Alice's excellent report... It isn't clear to me from this piece whether the artists impressions the school have released are of the original 45ft dome, or the new lower one. We put our impression togther based on the plans submitted to the council, which are for a 45ft dome. As yet, the official planning website has nothing on it about a 35ft dome. It's also worth bearing in mind when looking at these two impressions that the school's version is taken from down the hill below the dome site, in the valley bottom, and so, looking up the hill, much of the dome is hidden. Our view is taken from the other side of the valley, at the same elevation as the dome, so revealing more of its actual size. As I say in the piece, the sheer size of the dome is only part of the problem, and of course a less intrusive dome is welcome, but it will still be translucent (so glowing at night) and all the impressions above are taken in summer when the trees are in leaf - in winter it will be far more visible. It is also held aloft by air pressure, powered by a continously running generator. The wider development - the paved 400m running track, paviliion and flood-lit hockey pitch, plus the dome, will generate higher congestion and traffic in Cheam village, plus noise and light pollution in all the surrounding area. Warrren Farm is part of a continuous open space with Nonsuch Park, so this represents an imposition on the wider green space and its wildlife. Quite why the school needs this enormous expansion of its sports facilities when it has already established a David Lloyd sports centre in another part of its grounds - to which the pupils already have access - remains a complete mystery. The plans also speak of the use of these new facilities until 10pm at night, in weekends and holidays, and its use by adult clubs and teams from right across the region. In peak times 51 car spaces are never going to be enough. Furthermore, despite the land in question being in Epsom & Ewell, all the traffic will be funneled out on to the Cheam Road in a completely different borough. I think I am right in saying that Sutton did not even know what the school were planning until Alice's initial reports in April! Very few people received letters informing them of the school's plans so I am delighted that more people are now aware of what is being proposed. Neill Denny
  • Score: 3

10:36am Thu 8 May 14

labyrinth says...

The school's suggestion of 'a 20 mph speed zone' outside the school, is ridiculous. Why? Because that would mean a 20 mph zone on an A road - a main road! One can only imagine the horrors which would ensue in the side roads - they are bad enough now.

Obviously, the road which should have a 20 mph zone, is Anne Boleyn's Walk, which is the road used by rat runners now, and will be used even more if this dome goes ahead!

In fact, if this were virtually any other borough, Anne Boleyn's Walk would already be a 20 ,mph zone, and would have been for years - it has St Dunstan's School at one end, and Nonsuch very near the other. It is supposed to be government policy that all residential roads with junior schools should be 20 mph zones!
The school's suggestion of 'a 20 mph speed zone' outside the school, is ridiculous. Why? Because that would mean a 20 mph zone on an A road - a main road! One can only imagine the horrors which would ensue in the side roads - they are bad enough now. Obviously, the road which should have a 20 mph zone, is Anne Boleyn's Walk, which is the road used by rat runners now, and will be used even more if this dome goes ahead! In fact, if this were virtually any other borough, Anne Boleyn's Walk would already be a 20 ,mph zone, and would have been for years - it has St Dunstan's School at one end, and Nonsuch very near the other. It is supposed to be government policy that all residential roads with junior schools should be 20 mph zones! labyrinth
  • Score: 6

2:22pm Thu 8 May 14

labyrinth says...

I note from the Head's comments in the article in the Sutton Guardian, that "many local residents" are in favour of this dome. Really? I have come across none, and all the favourable comments on the relevant page, are either from pupils at the school or from addresses far away from the area!
I note from the Head's comments in the article in the Sutton Guardian, that "many local residents" are in favour of this dome. Really? I have come across none, and all the favourable comments on the relevant page, are either from pupils at the school or from addresses far away from the area! labyrinth
  • Score: 3

3:00pm Thu 8 May 14

Mr S.P Williams says...

It is outrageous that local residents have NOT been consulted properly about this large sports facility. A limited number of residents in Epsom and Ewell Borough were consulted but NONE in LB Sutton, whom are going to have most of the impact of increased traffic and parking problems.

The result this proposed development on parking and traffic on Jubilee Road, Anne Boleyns Walk, Roberts Close and Ewell Rd itself will be increased chaos until as late as 10pm at night. We already find it impossible to park and suffer with our roads being used as a rat run at School drop off/pick up times, or when the cross roads in the Village is busy. Its dangerous for children, and residents on Ewell road often find it almost impossible to reverse out of their drives safely with the speed and number of cars on Ewell Road.

The headmaster suggests that the facility will be able to use teacher parking out of hours, well, this is already heavily used by David Lloyd users at evenings and weekends so this will not solve the parking issues. Already highlighted by Mr Denny.

The noise and light pollution not to mention the visual impact and the impact on the beautiful natural habitat of Warren Farm will be considerable. On the rare evening events in Nonsuch Mansion you can clearly hear the noise. This planned facility is to be open until 10pm and night evenings/weekends/sc
hool holidays and will impact on residents enjoyment of their own homes and gardens.

The Sports Dome itself will be clearly visible across much of Warren Farm, one of our few unspoilt areas, which nature lovers/children/dog walkers enjoy for its peace tranquility and beautiful unspoilt views.

Perhaps the headmaster should consider scrapping the Dome itself, the floodlights and the security fencing to 'protect the Dome' thus saving the school many many thousands of pounds. Surely one of the main reasons they need to open it at night is to recoup their money on these incredibly expensive developments.

They could then concentrate instead on building more modest facilities that the students of Nonsuch will REALLY get the benefit from and they will NOT need to stay open until 10pm at night and NOT cause traffic/parking/nois
e and light pollution to the residents of Cheam.
It is outrageous that local residents have NOT been consulted properly about this large sports facility. A limited number of residents in Epsom and Ewell Borough were consulted but NONE in LB Sutton, whom are going to have most of the impact of increased traffic and parking problems. The result this proposed development on parking and traffic on Jubilee Road, Anne Boleyns Walk, Roberts Close and Ewell Rd itself will be increased chaos until as late as 10pm at night. We already find it impossible to park and suffer with our roads being used as a rat run at School drop off/pick up times, or when the cross roads in the Village is busy. Its dangerous for children, and residents on Ewell road often find it almost impossible to reverse out of their drives safely with the speed and number of cars on Ewell Road. The headmaster suggests that the facility will be able to use teacher parking out of hours, well, this is already heavily used by David Lloyd users at evenings and weekends so this will not solve the parking issues. Already highlighted by Mr Denny. The noise and light pollution not to mention the visual impact and the impact on the beautiful natural habitat of Warren Farm will be considerable. On the rare evening events in Nonsuch Mansion you can clearly hear the noise. This planned facility is to be open until 10pm and night evenings/weekends/sc hool holidays and will impact on residents enjoyment of their own homes and gardens. The Sports Dome itself will be clearly visible across much of Warren Farm, one of our few unspoilt areas, which nature lovers/children/dog walkers enjoy for its peace tranquility and beautiful unspoilt views. Perhaps the headmaster should consider scrapping the Dome itself, the floodlights and the security fencing to 'protect the Dome' thus saving the school many many thousands of pounds. Surely one of the main reasons they need to open it at night is to recoup their money on these incredibly expensive developments. They could then concentrate instead on building more modest facilities that the students of Nonsuch will REALLY get the benefit from and they will NOT need to stay open until 10pm at night and NOT cause traffic/parking/nois e and light pollution to the residents of Cheam. Mr S.P Williams
  • Score: 8

6:39pm Thu 8 May 14

labyrinth says...

Mr S.P Williams wrote:
It is outrageous that local residents have NOT been consulted properly about this large sports facility. A limited number of residents in Epsom and Ewell Borough were consulted but NONE in LB Sutton, whom are going to have most of the impact of increased traffic and parking problems.

The result this proposed development on parking and traffic on Jubilee Road, Anne Boleyns Walk, Roberts Close and Ewell Rd itself will be increased chaos until as late as 10pm at night. We already find it impossible to park and suffer with our roads being used as a rat run at School drop off/pick up times, or when the cross roads in the Village is busy. Its dangerous for children, and residents on Ewell road often find it almost impossible to reverse out of their drives safely with the speed and number of cars on Ewell Road.

The headmaster suggests that the facility will be able to use teacher parking out of hours, well, this is already heavily used by David Lloyd users at evenings and weekends so this will not solve the parking issues. Already highlighted by Mr Denny.

The noise and light pollution not to mention the visual impact and the impact on the beautiful natural habitat of Warren Farm will be considerable. On the rare evening events in Nonsuch Mansion you can clearly hear the noise. This planned facility is to be open until 10pm and night evenings/weekends/sc

hool holidays and will impact on residents enjoyment of their own homes and gardens.

The Sports Dome itself will be clearly visible across much of Warren Farm, one of our few unspoilt areas, which nature lovers/children/dog walkers enjoy for its peace tranquility and beautiful unspoilt views.

Perhaps the headmaster should consider scrapping the Dome itself, the floodlights and the security fencing to 'protect the Dome' thus saving the school many many thousands of pounds. Surely one of the main reasons they need to open it at night is to recoup their money on these incredibly expensive developments.

They could then concentrate instead on building more modest facilities that the students of Nonsuch will REALLY get the benefit from and they will NOT need to stay open until 10pm at night and NOT cause traffic/parking/nois

e and light pollution to the residents of Cheam.
Very well said. However, the school would not be saving itself anything - this dome is a commercial development, which will be paying for the expansion in numbers at the school - with just 15 places kept for local pupils!

You are correct about the traffic implications - residents in Anne Boleyn's Walk find it difficult to reverse out of their own driveways, especially when parents of Nonsuch pupils are parked across them (something which regularly happens).

This sports centre will indeed create a lot of extra noise, but, unbelievably, the local committee decided that it was a matter solely for Epsom & Ewell, and had nothing to do with Cheam!
[quote][p][bold]Mr S.P Williams[/bold] wrote: It is outrageous that local residents have NOT been consulted properly about this large sports facility. A limited number of residents in Epsom and Ewell Borough were consulted but NONE in LB Sutton, whom are going to have most of the impact of increased traffic and parking problems. The result this proposed development on parking and traffic on Jubilee Road, Anne Boleyns Walk, Roberts Close and Ewell Rd itself will be increased chaos until as late as 10pm at night. We already find it impossible to park and suffer with our roads being used as a rat run at School drop off/pick up times, or when the cross roads in the Village is busy. Its dangerous for children, and residents on Ewell road often find it almost impossible to reverse out of their drives safely with the speed and number of cars on Ewell Road. The headmaster suggests that the facility will be able to use teacher parking out of hours, well, this is already heavily used by David Lloyd users at evenings and weekends so this will not solve the parking issues. Already highlighted by Mr Denny. The noise and light pollution not to mention the visual impact and the impact on the beautiful natural habitat of Warren Farm will be considerable. On the rare evening events in Nonsuch Mansion you can clearly hear the noise. This planned facility is to be open until 10pm and night evenings/weekends/sc hool holidays and will impact on residents enjoyment of their own homes and gardens. The Sports Dome itself will be clearly visible across much of Warren Farm, one of our few unspoilt areas, which nature lovers/children/dog walkers enjoy for its peace tranquility and beautiful unspoilt views. Perhaps the headmaster should consider scrapping the Dome itself, the floodlights and the security fencing to 'protect the Dome' thus saving the school many many thousands of pounds. Surely one of the main reasons they need to open it at night is to recoup their money on these incredibly expensive developments. They could then concentrate instead on building more modest facilities that the students of Nonsuch will REALLY get the benefit from and they will NOT need to stay open until 10pm at night and NOT cause traffic/parking/nois e and light pollution to the residents of Cheam.[/p][/quote]Very well said. However, the school would not be saving itself anything - this dome is a commercial development, which will be paying for the expansion in numbers at the school - with just 15 places kept for local pupils! You are correct about the traffic implications - residents in Anne Boleyn's Walk find it difficult to reverse out of their own driveways, especially when parents of Nonsuch pupils are parked across them (something which regularly happens). This sports centre will indeed create a lot of extra noise, but, unbelievably, the local committee decided that it was a matter solely for Epsom & Ewell, and had nothing to do with Cheam! labyrinth
  • Score: 6

8:13pm Thu 8 May 14

Mr Flange of Wallington says...

Bunch of selfish nimbys.
Bunch of selfish nimbys. Mr Flange of Wallington
  • Score: -5

9:23pm Thu 8 May 14

Monstermunch17 says...

Whack it up. What a load of nothing. I'm a local resident and I'm all for it
Whack it up. What a load of nothing. I'm a local resident and I'm all for it Monstermunch17
  • Score: -4

9:48am Fri 9 May 14

labyrinth says...

Mr Flange of Wallington wrote:
Bunch of selfish nimbys.
Who, the school intending to build a massive commercial sports centre which will ruin a nature reserve and add to the congestion in an already congested area, or the people who already have to put up with the selfishness of the parents of Nonsuch children and simply want to go about their lives without any excessive and extra parking and speeding?
[quote][p][bold]Mr Flange of Wallington[/bold] wrote: Bunch of selfish nimbys.[/p][/quote]Who, the school intending to build a massive commercial sports centre which will ruin a nature reserve and add to the congestion in an already congested area, or the people who already have to put up with the selfishness of the parents of Nonsuch children and simply want to go about their lives without any excessive and extra parking and speeding? labyrinth
  • Score: 1

9:53am Fri 9 May 14

labyrinth says...

Monstermunch17 wrote:
Whack it up. What a load of nothing. I'm a local resident and I'm all for it
Then you are in a minority and you almost certainly do not live in one of the roads which will be affected by this monstrous commercial enterprise. Local residents are well aware that Nonsuch already has excellent sports facilities, and that this proposal is more to do with funding expansion than anything else - moreover an expansion which will do little to benefit pupils locally.
[quote][p][bold]Monstermunch17[/bold] wrote: Whack it up. What a load of nothing. I'm a local resident and I'm all for it[/p][/quote]Then you are in a minority and you almost certainly do not live in one of the roads which will be affected by this monstrous commercial enterprise. Local residents are well aware that Nonsuch already has excellent sports facilities, and that this proposal is more to do with funding expansion than anything else - moreover an expansion which will do little to benefit pupils locally. labyrinth
  • Score: 3

6:59pm Fri 9 May 14

Monstermunch17 says...

This 'extra congestion' thing has to be the ultimate cop out. Gym, mosque, market, bowls club, tiddly-winks society - it's basically used as a catch-all objection to any kind of human interaction proposed.

'Monstrous commercial enterprise' - it's few netball courts under a synthetic roof, not Bluewater 2 .
This 'extra congestion' thing has to be the ultimate cop out. Gym, mosque, market, bowls club, tiddly-winks society - it's basically used as a catch-all objection to any kind of human interaction proposed. 'Monstrous commercial enterprise' - it's few netball courts under a synthetic roof, not Bluewater 2 . Monstermunch17
  • Score: -4

11:20pm Fri 9 May 14

Mr Flange of Wallington says...

labyrinth wrote:
Mr Flange of Wallington wrote:
Bunch of selfish nimbys.
Who, the school intending to build a massive commercial sports centre which will ruin a nature reserve and add to the congestion in an already congested area, or the people who already have to put up with the selfishness of the parents of Nonsuch children and simply want to go about their lives without any excessive and extra parking and speeding?
NIMBY is an acronym, taking the first letters of not in my back yard.

Not quite as bad as a BANANA: build absolutely nothing anywhere near anything.

The schools will almost certainly still be there, serving the educational needs of those that are gifted enough to merit a place, long after you and your nimby pals have shuffled off.

But the plans for this. Magnificent structure are being withdrawn, so you can wallow in your victory.
[quote][p][bold]labyrinth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Flange of Wallington[/bold] wrote: Bunch of selfish nimbys.[/p][/quote]Who, the school intending to build a massive commercial sports centre which will ruin a nature reserve and add to the congestion in an already congested area, or the people who already have to put up with the selfishness of the parents of Nonsuch children and simply want to go about their lives without any excessive and extra parking and speeding?[/p][/quote]NIMBY is an acronym, taking the first letters of not in my back yard. Not quite as bad as a BANANA: build absolutely nothing anywhere near anything. The schools will almost certainly still be there, serving the educational needs of those that are gifted enough to merit a place, long after you and your nimby pals have shuffled off. But the plans for this. Magnificent structure are being withdrawn, so you can wallow in your victory. Mr Flange of Wallington
  • Score: -2

7:53pm Sat 10 May 14

labyrinth says...

Mr Flange of Wallington wrote:
labyrinth wrote:
Mr Flange of Wallington wrote:
Bunch of selfish nimbys.
Who, the school intending to build a massive commercial sports centre which will ruin a nature reserve and add to the congestion in an already congested area, or the people who already have to put up with the selfishness of the parents of Nonsuch children and simply want to go about their lives without any excessive and extra parking and speeding?
NIMBY is an acronym, taking the first letters of not in my back yard.

Not quite as bad as a BANANA: build absolutely nothing anywhere near anything.

The schools will almost certainly still be there, serving the educational needs of those that are gifted enough to merit a place, long after you and your nimby pals have shuffled off.

But the plans for this. Magnificent structure are being withdrawn, so you can wallow in your victory.
No, we can not 'wallow in our victory' because the plans are merely being withdrawn to be put in once more, with small alterations.

'Magnificent structure?' Now we know you are a joke! It is an inflatable plastic dome, rising far above the surrounding streets.

Yes, we all know what NIMBY means - but unlike you, most of us are well aware that it is a term, coined by a Lord who objected to ordinary people trying to protect their environment, yet when one tiny corner of his own hundreds of acres was threatened with being slightly overlooked, he protested strongly! In other words, it is a fatuous and meaningless term, since all normal people want to protect their own environment.

As for the school, the 'giftedness' or otherwise of pupils has nothing whatsoever to do with this sports dome, as well you know, and the girls will continue to benefit from its excellent education and fabulous sports facilities - they do not need another sports hall, which in fact is not mainly for them anyway.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Flange of Wallington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]labyrinth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Flange of Wallington[/bold] wrote: Bunch of selfish nimbys.[/p][/quote]Who, the school intending to build a massive commercial sports centre which will ruin a nature reserve and add to the congestion in an already congested area, or the people who already have to put up with the selfishness of the parents of Nonsuch children and simply want to go about their lives without any excessive and extra parking and speeding?[/p][/quote]NIMBY is an acronym, taking the first letters of not in my back yard. Not quite as bad as a BANANA: build absolutely nothing anywhere near anything. The schools will almost certainly still be there, serving the educational needs of those that are gifted enough to merit a place, long after you and your nimby pals have shuffled off. But the plans for this. Magnificent structure are being withdrawn, so you can wallow in your victory.[/p][/quote]No, we can not 'wallow in our victory' because the plans are merely being withdrawn to be put in once more, with small alterations. 'Magnificent structure?' Now we know you are a joke! It is an inflatable plastic dome, rising far above the surrounding streets. Yes, we all know what NIMBY means - but unlike you, most of us are well aware that it is a term, coined by a Lord who objected to ordinary people trying to protect their environment, yet when one tiny corner of his own hundreds of acres was threatened with being slightly overlooked, he protested strongly! In other words, it is a fatuous and meaningless term, since all normal people want to protect their own environment. As for the school, the 'giftedness' or otherwise of pupils has nothing whatsoever to do with this sports dome, as well you know, and the girls will continue to benefit from its excellent education and fabulous sports facilities - they do not need another sports hall, which in fact is not mainly for them anyway. labyrinth
  • Score: 3

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