Driver Amin Aminullah who left Carshalton schoolgirl Miriam Parker in coma after running red light in South Croydon could face just points on licence

Sutton Guardian: Miriam, left, with sisters Loren, centre, and Kirsty Miriam, left, with sisters Loren, centre, and Kirsty

The family of a teenager who suffered life-changing injuries when a car ploughed through a red light and knocked her down have called for a law change after learning the driver faces just a fine and points on his licence.

Miriam Parker, 18, was in a coma for a month following the collision at a pelican crossing in Selsdon Park Road, South Croydon, on New Year's Day and, despite defying doctors' warnings she might die, will need care for the rest of her life.

The crash left the teenager, then 17, with a severe brain injury and reduced mobility, meaning she cannot return to her family's home in Carshalton when she leaves the Children's Trust centre in Tadworth, where she has been undergoing intensive rehabilitation since leaving hospital in March.

Amin Aminullah, 40, of Addington Road, Selsdon, last month admitted driving without due care and attention - a charge that means he may not lose his licence despite leaving the Archbishop Tenison's High School pupil's life "turned upside down".

Her family - including mother Davina, 53, and sisters Kirsty, 21, and Loren, 19 - plan to campaign for a change to the law, which currently does not take into account the seriousness of the injury inflicted by careless driving.

Despite the family's appeals, Crown Prosection Service decided there was insufficent evidence to charge Aminullah with the more serious offence of dangerous driving.

Davina said: "I'm grateful that she is still alive but our lives have been turned upside down. She is going to need help for the rest of her life. For a parent that is a horrendous thought. You're not always going to be there.

"I feel that they have not charged him with the right charge. He might not even get a ban from driving. He drove through a red light and did not even brake.

"Miriam feels she has lost her life. She has lost her independence. Everything has changed completely. All her friends are going to university."

Sutton Guardian:

Amin Aminullah leaves Croydon Magistrates Court yesterday

Miriam, who has aspired to be a nurse since she was 14, had been studying for her A-levels and was offered places at three universities before the accident, of which she has no memory.

Family and friends held a vigil by her bedside at St George's Hospital in Tooting in the weeks following the collision, with doctors at one point warning she was unlikely to survive.

A group of close friends visited her "nearly every day" she was in hospital, her mother said.

She added: "She has made a miraculous recovery considering she was not expected to live. The fact that she is here and she can talk and walk at all is a miracle.

"She is a fighter. When she came out of the coma the first thing she said was that she was determined to walk again. As far as she is concerned she is still going to be a nurse."

Miriam now hopes to return to school in September, but will be forced to leave the flat she shares with her mum because the block's concrete stairs mean it is now unsuitable.

Sutton Council is looking for properties so they can be rehoused but has not yet found anywhere appropriate.

Davina said: "We have lost everything. My daughter will never fully recover and we are going to lose our house we have lived in for 15 years.

"I could end up in bed-and-breakfast accommodation with my daughter. It has all been horrendous."

Aminullah was due to be sentenced by Croydon magistrates yesterday, but the hearing was adjourned after the court failed to book an interpreter. 

His lawyer said he was "deeply sorry" for the collision.

A spokeswoman for the Crown Prosecution Service said: "The law on bad driving primarily requires consideration of the standard of the defendant’s driving rather than the consequences of his or her actions, however serious they may be. 

"This case was thoroughly reviewed and a charge of dangerous driving was considered. However, there was insufficient evidence to prove that the defendant’s driving fell so far below the standard expected that he could be realistically convicted of dangerous driving.

"It was decided that the appropriate charge was driving without due care and attention.

"While the level of injury of the victim can be aggravating factor for sentencing purposes, it cannot be considered when determining the level of charge.

"Our thoughts are with Ms Parker and her family at this difficult time.”

Aminullah is now due to be sentenced on Tuesday.

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10:55am Wed 9 Jul 14

PeterM says...

This punishment comes as no surprise to me, as there are many, many more similar cases where a motorist has effectively walked free to maim and kill once again.

If has often been said that if you want to kill someone, then you should run them over with a car. The punishment that you would received would be far less then if you killed them with a knife or similar.
This punishment comes as no surprise to me, as there are many, many more similar cases where a motorist has effectively walked free to maim and kill once again. If has often been said that if you want to kill someone, then you should run them over with a car. The punishment that you would received would be far less then if you killed them with a knife or similar. PeterM
  • Score: 61

11:50am Wed 9 Jul 14

adrianshort says...

No idea why the driver wasn't charged with section 20 grievous bodily harm. One thing all road users should be aware of is that if you drive/ride recklessly you are likely to seriously injure or kill other people.

It's the consequences of his driving carelessly - the injuries to Miriam - rather than the simple fact of it, that is the main offence here.
No idea why the driver wasn't charged with section 20 grievous bodily harm. One thing all road users should be aware of is that if you drive/ride recklessly you are likely to seriously injure or kill other people. It's the consequences of his driving carelessly - the injuries to Miriam - rather than the simple fact of it, that is the main offence here. adrianshort
  • Score: 50

12:20pm Wed 9 Jul 14

KirstyParker says...

Here is the law as it stands:

Death by careless driving = mandatory 2 year ban
Careless driving causing any injuries less than death = minimum 3 points, ban only discretionary

Why should the fortunate fact that someone survives affect the driver's chances of being banned? The fault is the same and yet the punishment is different. It's time we started to take driving offences more seriously.
Here is the law as it stands: Death by careless driving = mandatory 2 year ban Careless driving causing any injuries less than death = minimum 3 points, ban only discretionary Why should the fortunate fact that someone survives affect the driver's chances of being banned? The fault is the same and yet the punishment is different. It's time we started to take driving offences more seriously. KirstyParker
  • Score: 60

12:25pm Wed 9 Jul 14

ummagumma says...

When in court on Tuesday, the person or persons passing sentence on this piece of scum should be required to automatically serve the same sentence as the defendant if, within a reasonable amount of time, the defendent reoffends. This should also apply to do gooders on probationary panels when prisoners are let out on licence and reoffend, and judges who pass ridiculously lenient sentances. If ideas like this was introduced into Brithish law I think the crime rates in this country would plummet. It's called common sense!
When in court on Tuesday, the person or persons passing sentence on this piece of scum should be required to automatically serve the same sentence as the defendant if, within a reasonable amount of time, the defendent reoffends. This should also apply to do gooders on probationary panels when prisoners are let out on licence and reoffend, and judges who pass ridiculously lenient sentances. If ideas like this was introduced into Brithish law I think the crime rates in this country would plummet. It's called common sense! ummagumma
  • Score: 12

12:49pm Wed 9 Jul 14

adrianshort says...

ummagumma wrote:
When in court on Tuesday, the person or persons passing sentence on this piece of scum should be required to automatically serve the same sentence as the defendant if, within a reasonable amount of time, the defendent reoffends. This should also apply to do gooders on probationary panels when prisoners are let out on licence and reoffend, and judges who pass ridiculously lenient sentances. If ideas like this was introduced into Brithish law I think the crime rates in this country would plummet. It's called common sense!
If your idea was implemented no-one would want to be a judge or magistrate. I'm not sure that'd do much good to the crime rate.
[quote][p][bold]ummagumma[/bold] wrote: When in court on Tuesday, the person or persons passing sentence on this piece of scum should be required to automatically serve the same sentence as the defendant if, within a reasonable amount of time, the defendent reoffends. This should also apply to do gooders on probationary panels when prisoners are let out on licence and reoffend, and judges who pass ridiculously lenient sentances. If ideas like this was introduced into Brithish law I think the crime rates in this country would plummet. It's called common sense![/p][/quote]If your idea was implemented no-one would want to be a judge or magistrate. I'm not sure that'd do much good to the crime rate. adrianshort
  • Score: 13

12:51pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Deltablue says...

"Aminullah was due to be sentenced by Croydon magistrates yesterday, but the hearing was adjourned after the court failed to book an interpreter".
He lives in this country, so surely somebody in the family or his community speaks English. Once again, we waste more taxpayers money because of his ignorance. He can't drive properly on British roads and he can't communicate in English, has cost the system hundreds of thousands of pounds in medical fees, rehabilitation for the victim, investigation work, lawyers, etc. Not exactly making a worthy contribution to society in the time that he has been here , is he?
"Aminullah was due to be sentenced by Croydon magistrates yesterday, but the hearing was adjourned after the court failed to book an interpreter". He lives in this country, so surely somebody in the family or his community speaks English. Once again, we waste more taxpayers money because of his ignorance. He can't drive properly on British roads and he can't communicate in English, has cost the system hundreds of thousands of pounds in medical fees, rehabilitation for the victim, investigation work, lawyers, etc. Not exactly making a worthy contribution to society in the time that he has been here , is he? Deltablue
  • Score: 92

12:56pm Wed 9 Jul 14

ummagumma says...

adrianshort wrote:
ummagumma wrote:
When in court on Tuesday, the person or persons passing sentence on this piece of scum should be required to automatically serve the same sentence as the defendant if, within a reasonable amount of time, the defendent reoffends. This should also apply to do gooders on probationary panels when prisoners are let out on licence and reoffend, and judges who pass ridiculously lenient sentances. If ideas like this was introduced into Brithish law I think the crime rates in this country would plummet. It's called common sense!
If your idea was implemented no-one would want to be a judge or magistrate. I'm not sure that'd do much good to the crime rate.
No, most SENSIBLE people would jump at the chance to serve PROPER justice upon thes misceants!
[quote][p][bold]adrianshort[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ummagumma[/bold] wrote: When in court on Tuesday, the person or persons passing sentence on this piece of scum should be required to automatically serve the same sentence as the defendant if, within a reasonable amount of time, the defendent reoffends. This should also apply to do gooders on probationary panels when prisoners are let out on licence and reoffend, and judges who pass ridiculously lenient sentances. If ideas like this was introduced into Brithish law I think the crime rates in this country would plummet. It's called common sense![/p][/quote]If your idea was implemented no-one would want to be a judge or magistrate. I'm not sure that'd do much good to the crime rate.[/p][/quote]No, most SENSIBLE people would jump at the chance to serve PROPER justice upon thes misceants! ummagumma
  • Score: 2

1:04pm Wed 9 Jul 14

adrianshort says...

ummagumma wrote:
adrianshort wrote:
ummagumma wrote:
When in court on Tuesday, the person or persons passing sentence on this piece of scum should be required to automatically serve the same sentence as the defendant if, within a reasonable amount of time, the defendent reoffends. This should also apply to do gooders on probationary panels when prisoners are let out on licence and reoffend, and judges who pass ridiculously lenient sentances. If ideas like this was introduced into Brithish law I think the crime rates in this country would plummet. It's called common sense!
If your idea was implemented no-one would want to be a judge or magistrate. I'm not sure that'd do much good to the crime rate.
No, most SENSIBLE people would jump at the chance to serve PROPER justice upon thes misceants!
What SENSIBLE person would want to run the risk of being sent to jail for years even when they haven't committed a crime? I suggest you might want to rethink this idea.
[quote][p][bold]ummagumma[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adrianshort[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ummagumma[/bold] wrote: When in court on Tuesday, the person or persons passing sentence on this piece of scum should be required to automatically serve the same sentence as the defendant if, within a reasonable amount of time, the defendent reoffends. This should also apply to do gooders on probationary panels when prisoners are let out on licence and reoffend, and judges who pass ridiculously lenient sentances. If ideas like this was introduced into Brithish law I think the crime rates in this country would plummet. It's called common sense![/p][/quote]If your idea was implemented no-one would want to be a judge or magistrate. I'm not sure that'd do much good to the crime rate.[/p][/quote]No, most SENSIBLE people would jump at the chance to serve PROPER justice upon thes misceants![/p][/quote]What SENSIBLE person would want to run the risk of being sent to jail for years even when they haven't committed a crime? I suggest you might want to rethink this idea. adrianshort
  • Score: 14

1:16pm Wed 9 Jul 14

JonJPickett says...

A total disgrace. His driving endangered another life, which by all definitions is dangerous driving. It was only by the sheer grace of God that Miriam is still here, but the family have lost everything because of it. Why should the victim lose everything, and the offender lose just a few points on a licence?
Clearly the justice system have different semantics to the rest of us regarding "dangerous driving" and "justice".
A total disgrace. His driving endangered another life, which by all definitions is dangerous driving. It was only by the sheer grace of God that Miriam is still here, but the family have lost everything because of it. Why should the victim lose everything, and the offender lose just a few points on a licence? Clearly the justice system have different semantics to the rest of us regarding "dangerous driving" and "justice". JonJPickett
  • Score: 48

1:18pm Wed 9 Jul 14

mmce2014 says...

It saddens me that this Country is on its knees! A young girl with her life ahead of her and her family who have been through enough trauma for any persons to cope with have to struggle on and now their fight has turned from keeping Miriam alive to fighting for a safe property to live in.............the point where we can step in and make their lives easier is actually making their lives worse because they are being treated as a bit of 'information', 'categorised' and 'processed' by the council. What happened to the good old British way of compassion and caring for our fellow citizens, we do it all over the world and for those who walk freshly through our borders, yet we fail our own - I'm embarassed and I hope those in the council are too, give this family the safe home they need for a decent rest from this tragedy they have been through......how on earth could the possibility of B&B for a period of time even be suggested - thats a disgrace!!

The fact that this girl nearly died, has long term injuries and disabilities and faces a future of challenge at the very least - points on your licence........the guy never even said sorry!!!
It saddens me that this Country is on its knees! A young girl with her life ahead of her and her family who have been through enough trauma for any persons to cope with have to struggle on and now their fight has turned from keeping Miriam alive to fighting for a safe property to live in.............the point where we can step in and make their lives easier is actually making their lives worse because they are being treated as a bit of 'information', 'categorised' and 'processed' by the council. What happened to the good old British way of compassion and caring for our fellow citizens, we do it all over the world and for those who walk freshly through our borders, yet we fail our own - I'm embarassed and I hope those in the council are too, give this family the safe home they need for a decent rest from this tragedy they have been through......how on earth could the possibility of B&B for a period of time even be suggested - thats a disgrace!! The fact that this girl nearly died, has long term injuries and disabilities and faces a future of challenge at the very least - points on your licence........the guy never even said sorry!!! mmce2014
  • Score: 42

2:15pm Wed 9 Jul 14

libbie1000 says...

If the driver requires an Interpreter for the court process does this mean he can read road signs? Is his licence valid? Small points that distract from the huge lack of justice in this case. The punishment should reflect the crime but with any vehicle crime the Cps seem to want to guarantee a result. Far easier for a few points rather than a custodial sentence. And as he is proved guilty can the family sue him or his insurers for their costs! This man seems to be able to carry on with his life as if the accident did not happen. Miriam does not seem to have that option. And that is why the law has failed them all.
If the driver requires an Interpreter for the court process does this mean he can read road signs? Is his licence valid? Small points that distract from the huge lack of justice in this case. The punishment should reflect the crime but with any vehicle crime the Cps seem to want to guarantee a result. Far easier for a few points rather than a custodial sentence. And as he is proved guilty can the family sue him or his insurers for their costs! This man seems to be able to carry on with his life as if the accident did not happen. Miriam does not seem to have that option. And that is why the law has failed them all. libbie1000
  • Score: 33

2:15pm Wed 9 Jul 14

ummagumma says...

adrianshort wrote:
ummagumma wrote:
adrianshort wrote:
ummagumma wrote:
When in court on Tuesday, the person or persons passing sentence on this piece of scum should be required to automatically serve the same sentence as the defendant if, within a reasonable amount of time, the defendent reoffends. This should also apply to do gooders on probationary panels when prisoners are let out on licence and reoffend, and judges who pass ridiculously lenient sentances. If ideas like this was introduced into Brithish law I think the crime rates in this country would plummet. It's called common sense!
If your idea was implemented no-one would want to be a judge or magistrate. I'm not sure that'd do much good to the crime rate.
No, most SENSIBLE people would jump at the chance to serve PROPER justice upon thes misceants!
What SENSIBLE person would want to run the risk of being sent to jail for years even when they haven't committed a crime? I suggest you might want to rethink this idea.
I don't think you understand, or even want to understand. For instance, if robbery with violence has a tariff of 10 years and the judge says that the defendent should only serve three (we read reports of this type of thing everyday), and the person commits a crime in the seven years that they were "let off", the judge would serve the tariff of whatever crime the "criminal" undertook (along with the criminal). Believe me, you would not hear the judges sob stories of "but my hands were tied" anymore and the country would be a much safer place for law abiding citizens. As for magistrates, they are all "but we must give them a second (seventeenth) chance, and no doubt all live in safe, gated communities. Remember, leopards never change their spots!
Ask yourself this, who recommended that a convicted murderer banged up for life for viciously killing his girlfreind be let out on licence to..... viciously kill his next girlfreind three months after release? What if that was your sister or daughter........
[quote][p][bold]adrianshort[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ummagumma[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adrianshort[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ummagumma[/bold] wrote: When in court on Tuesday, the person or persons passing sentence on this piece of scum should be required to automatically serve the same sentence as the defendant if, within a reasonable amount of time, the defendent reoffends. This should also apply to do gooders on probationary panels when prisoners are let out on licence and reoffend, and judges who pass ridiculously lenient sentances. If ideas like this was introduced into Brithish law I think the crime rates in this country would plummet. It's called common sense![/p][/quote]If your idea was implemented no-one would want to be a judge or magistrate. I'm not sure that'd do much good to the crime rate.[/p][/quote]No, most SENSIBLE people would jump at the chance to serve PROPER justice upon thes misceants![/p][/quote]What SENSIBLE person would want to run the risk of being sent to jail for years even when they haven't committed a crime? I suggest you might want to rethink this idea.[/p][/quote]I don't think you understand, or even want to understand. For instance, if robbery with violence has a tariff of 10 years and the judge says that the defendent should only serve three (we read reports of this type of thing everyday), and the person commits a crime in the seven years that they were "let off", the judge would serve the tariff of whatever crime the "criminal" undertook (along with the criminal). Believe me, you would not hear the judges sob stories of "but my hands were tied" anymore and the country would be a much safer place for law abiding citizens. As for magistrates, they are all "but we must give them a second (seventeenth) chance, and no doubt all live in safe, gated communities. Remember, leopards never change their spots! Ask yourself this, who recommended that a convicted murderer banged up for life for viciously killing his girlfreind be let out on licence to..... viciously kill his next girlfreind three months after release? What if that was your sister or daughter........ ummagumma
  • Score: -4

2:19pm Wed 9 Jul 14

KirstyParker says...

I am her sister and I really don't want people to make unnecessary racial comments. That really is not what my family want this to be about at all. We are campaigning for the law to be changed for future victims of such incidents.
I am her sister and I really don't want people to make unnecessary racial comments. That really is not what my family want this to be about at all. We are campaigning for the law to be changed for future victims of such incidents. KirstyParker
  • Score: 48

2:24pm Wed 9 Jul 14

PeterM says...

KirstyParker wrote:
I am her sister and I really don't want people to make unnecessary racial comments. That really is not what my family want this to be about at all. We are campaigning for the law to be changed for future victims of such incidents.
Well said Kirsty, the driver's nationality has nothing at all to do with these tragic events.

I fully support your campaign for a change in the law, and if you need any help I would love to assist.

I give the Guardian permission to let you contact me via the details that they have.
[quote][p][bold]KirstyParker[/bold] wrote: I am her sister and I really don't want people to make unnecessary racial comments. That really is not what my family want this to be about at all. We are campaigning for the law to be changed for future victims of such incidents.[/p][/quote]Well said Kirsty, the driver's nationality has nothing at all to do with these tragic events. I fully support your campaign for a change in the law, and if you need any help I would love to assist. I give the Guardian permission to let you contact me via the details that they have. PeterM
  • Score: 23

2:28pm Wed 9 Jul 14

KirstyParker says...

I am asking the guardian if they could please remove the racist remarks made. It is not appreciated at all. For the sake of the family please could people refrain from doing that. My family would not endorse any of those remarks made at all.

The reason my family are upset are because of the fact someone drove through a red light and the suffering this has caused to both my sister and the family. We are advocating a change in the law, NOT racism.

Thank you.
I am asking the guardian if they could please remove the racist remarks made. It is not appreciated at all. For the sake of the family please could people refrain from doing that. My family would not endorse any of those remarks made at all. The reason my family are upset are because of the fact someone drove through a red light and the suffering this has caused to both my sister and the family. We are advocating a change in the law, NOT racism. Thank you. KirstyParker
  • Score: 41

2:34pm Wed 9 Jul 14

ummagumma says...

KirstyParker wrote:
I am her sister and I really don't want people to make unnecessary racial comments. That really is not what my family want this to be about at all. We are campaigning for the law to be changed for future victims of such incidents.
Sorry Kirsty, you, along with your family, must be such strong people. Miriam's story has really infuriated a lot of people and the conversation threads have become somewhat blurred. Have you thought about starting a petition on change.org? I am sure that the response would be overwhelming. Stay strong and I am sure that everything that needs to be done, will be done. All my love.
[quote][p][bold]KirstyParker[/bold] wrote: I am her sister and I really don't want people to make unnecessary racial comments. That really is not what my family want this to be about at all. We are campaigning for the law to be changed for future victims of such incidents.[/p][/quote]Sorry Kirsty, you, along with your family, must be such strong people. Miriam's story has really infuriated a lot of people and the conversation threads have become somewhat blurred. Have you thought about starting a petition on change.org? I am sure that the response would be overwhelming. Stay strong and I am sure that everything that needs to be done, will be done. All my love. ummagumma
  • Score: 14

2:36pm Wed 9 Jul 14

adrianshort says...

KirstyParker wrote:
I am asking the guardian if they could please remove the racist remarks made. It is not appreciated at all. For the sake of the family please could people refrain from doing that. My family would not endorse any of those remarks made at all.

The reason my family are upset are because of the fact someone drove through a red light and the suffering this has caused to both my sister and the family. We are advocating a change in the law, NOT racism.

Thank you.
Kirsty,

I'm with you on the racism. I just wonder why a more serious charge such as section 20 grievous bodily harm wasn't used.
[quote][p][bold]KirstyParker[/bold] wrote: I am asking the guardian if they could please remove the racist remarks made. It is not appreciated at all. For the sake of the family please could people refrain from doing that. My family would not endorse any of those remarks made at all. The reason my family are upset are because of the fact someone drove through a red light and the suffering this has caused to both my sister and the family. We are advocating a change in the law, NOT racism. Thank you.[/p][/quote]Kirsty, I'm with you on the racism. I just wonder why a more serious charge such as section 20 grievous bodily harm wasn't used. adrianshort
  • Score: 9

2:38pm Wed 9 Jul 14

KirstyParker says...

ummagumma wrote:
KirstyParker wrote:
I am her sister and I really don't want people to make unnecessary racial comments. That really is not what my family want this to be about at all. We are campaigning for the law to be changed for future victims of such incidents.
Sorry Kirsty, you, along with your family, must be such strong people. Miriam's story has really infuriated a lot of people and the conversation threads have become somewhat blurred. Have you thought about starting a petition on change.org? I am sure that the response would be overwhelming. Stay strong and I am sure that everything that needs to be done, will be done. All my love.
Thank you. We will be starting a campaign soon hopefully.
[quote][p][bold]ummagumma[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KirstyParker[/bold] wrote: I am her sister and I really don't want people to make unnecessary racial comments. That really is not what my family want this to be about at all. We are campaigning for the law to be changed for future victims of such incidents.[/p][/quote]Sorry Kirsty, you, along with your family, must be such strong people. Miriam's story has really infuriated a lot of people and the conversation threads have become somewhat blurred. Have you thought about starting a petition on change.org? I am sure that the response would be overwhelming. Stay strong and I am sure that everything that needs to be done, will be done. All my love.[/p][/quote]Thank you. We will be starting a campaign soon hopefully. KirstyParker
  • Score: 15

2:52pm Wed 9 Jul 14

D.Cross says...

I cannot believe anyone could be involved in such an accident & get away with a fine & points alone. This is madness, how can the consequences of the events not be taken into consideration. It is with no thanks to the driver that this young girl survived & the outcome could have been so much worse. Surely the penalty should fit the crime & sentencing therefore take into consideration the impact on the victims life & that of their family!
I cannot believe anyone could be involved in such an accident & get away with a fine & points alone. This is madness, how can the consequences of the events not be taken into consideration. It is with no thanks to the driver that this young girl survived & the outcome could have been so much worse. Surely the penalty should fit the crime & sentencing therefore take into consideration the impact on the victims life & that of their family! D.Cross
  • Score: 25

3:15pm Wed 9 Jul 14

labyrinth says...

What is needed is a law like the one they have in the US, 'vehicular homicide' - this carries an automatic prison term which can be up to 10 years. Over here, we have this terrible attitude- arrogant drivers do exactly as they wish, ploughing into innocent pedestrians. Well done to this family for trying to change the law and for their selfless attitude to others who may suffer in the same way.
What is needed is a law like the one they have in the US, 'vehicular homicide' - this carries an automatic prison term which can be up to 10 years. Over here, we have this terrible attitude- arrogant drivers do exactly as they wish, ploughing into innocent pedestrians. Well done to this family for trying to change the law and for their selfless attitude to others who may suffer in the same way. labyrinth
  • Score: 13

3:33pm Wed 9 Jul 14

christhegoth says...

Much as accidents happen ( and they do) a meesely 3pts clearly does not match the scale of the injury received.

I'd also be VERY curious as to how much compo she gets as a victim of crime.

Compo is being eroded under this Govt for real. And without that cash the rebuild is almost impossible. I lost my compo after life-altering injuries due to David Cameron, & I have a bad feeling this lass will face the same awful experience.
Much as accidents happen ( and they do) a meesely 3pts clearly does not match the scale of the injury received. I'd also be VERY curious as to how much compo she gets as a victim of crime. Compo is being eroded under this Govt for real. And without that cash the rebuild is almost impossible. I lost my compo after life-altering injuries due to David Cameron, & I have a bad feeling this lass will face the same awful experience. christhegoth
  • Score: 6

3:37pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Deltablue says...

KirstyParker wrote:
I am asking the guardian if they could please remove the racist remarks made. It is not appreciated at all. For the sake of the family please could people refrain from doing that. My family would not endorse any of those remarks made at all.

The reason my family are upset are because of the fact someone drove through a red light and the suffering this has caused to both my sister and the family. We are advocating a change in the law, NOT racism.

Thank you.
Kirsty, I wrote a comment at 12:51pm Wed 9 Jul 14.
My issue is not that he's a foreigner, but rather that he's not adhering to the standards required in THIS country, as we are seeing all to often, and this is another area where the law needs to be changed. My second point being that if he doesn't understand English how does he understand road signs etc. Its also not unreasonable to question why, as he lives and drives and no doubt works in this country, he speaks such poor English that we should pay for an interpreter. After all, the majority of people from overseas make huge efforts to master their English skills. Hence my last comment "Not exactly making a worthy contribution to society in the time that he has been here , is he?" unlike the majority from overseas who do make a positive contribution.
Best wishes to your sister.
[quote][p][bold]KirstyParker[/bold] wrote: I am asking the guardian if they could please remove the racist remarks made. It is not appreciated at all. For the sake of the family please could people refrain from doing that. My family would not endorse any of those remarks made at all. The reason my family are upset are because of the fact someone drove through a red light and the suffering this has caused to both my sister and the family. We are advocating a change in the law, NOT racism. Thank you.[/p][/quote]Kirsty, I wrote a comment at 12:51pm Wed 9 Jul 14. My issue is not that he's a foreigner, but rather that he's not adhering to the standards required in THIS country, as we are seeing all to often, and this is another area where the law needs to be changed. My second point being that if he doesn't understand English how does he understand road signs etc. Its also not unreasonable to question why, as he lives and drives and no doubt works in this country, he speaks such poor English that we should pay for an interpreter. After all, the majority of people from overseas make huge efforts to master their English skills. Hence my last comment "Not exactly making a worthy contribution to society in the time that he has been here , is he?" unlike the majority from overseas who do make a positive contribution. Best wishes to your sister. Deltablue
  • Score: 22

6:14pm Wed 9 Jul 14

adrianshort says...

Deltablue wrote:
KirstyParker wrote:
I am asking the guardian if they could please remove the racist remarks made. It is not appreciated at all. For the sake of the family please could people refrain from doing that. My family would not endorse any of those remarks made at all.

The reason my family are upset are because of the fact someone drove through a red light and the suffering this has caused to both my sister and the family. We are advocating a change in the law, NOT racism.

Thank you.
Kirsty, I wrote a comment at 12:51pm Wed 9 Jul 14.
My issue is not that he's a foreigner, but rather that he's not adhering to the standards required in THIS country, as we are seeing all to often, and this is another area where the law needs to be changed. My second point being that if he doesn't understand English how does he understand road signs etc. Its also not unreasonable to question why, as he lives and drives and no doubt works in this country, he speaks such poor English that we should pay for an interpreter. After all, the majority of people from overseas make huge efforts to master their English skills. Hence my last comment "Not exactly making a worthy contribution to society in the time that he has been here , is he?" unlike the majority from overseas who do make a positive contribution.
Best wishes to your sister.
People who don't speak good English are entitled to have an interpreter in court. That's the only way they can have a fair trial.

Assuming you don't speak very good Arabic, I think you'd like an interpreter if you were facing a court hearing while on holiday or working as an ex-pat in Egypt. Again, the issue is about fair trials and equal justice, not mollycoddling people who, in your view, aren't making sufficient effort to learn English.
[quote][p][bold]Deltablue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KirstyParker[/bold] wrote: I am asking the guardian if they could please remove the racist remarks made. It is not appreciated at all. For the sake of the family please could people refrain from doing that. My family would not endorse any of those remarks made at all. The reason my family are upset are because of the fact someone drove through a red light and the suffering this has caused to both my sister and the family. We are advocating a change in the law, NOT racism. Thank you.[/p][/quote]Kirsty, I wrote a comment at 12:51pm Wed 9 Jul 14. My issue is not that he's a foreigner, but rather that he's not adhering to the standards required in THIS country, as we are seeing all to often, and this is another area where the law needs to be changed. My second point being that if he doesn't understand English how does he understand road signs etc. Its also not unreasonable to question why, as he lives and drives and no doubt works in this country, he speaks such poor English that we should pay for an interpreter. After all, the majority of people from overseas make huge efforts to master their English skills. Hence my last comment "Not exactly making a worthy contribution to society in the time that he has been here , is he?" unlike the majority from overseas who do make a positive contribution. Best wishes to your sister.[/p][/quote]People who don't speak good English are entitled to have an interpreter in court. That's the only way they can have a fair trial. Assuming you don't speak very good Arabic, I think you'd like an interpreter if you were facing a court hearing while on holiday or working as an ex-pat in Egypt. Again, the issue is about fair trials and equal justice, not mollycoddling people who, in your view, aren't making sufficient effort to learn English. adrianshort
  • Score: -13

6:39pm Wed 9 Jul 14

ros carney says...

This lovely family have been sentenced for life. This man broke the law with his impatience and beautiful Miriam has paid the price. He should never be allowed to drive again at the very least. If it were an accident....but no, jumping a red light is the decision of a selfish and uncaring person with no regard to the suffering he may inflict to others by doing so. A decision that cannot be reversed. This law does not show new drivers the seriousness of abiding by the rules. I am appalled by the lightness of the sentence.
This lovely family have been sentenced for life. This man broke the law with his impatience and beautiful Miriam has paid the price. He should never be allowed to drive again at the very least. If it were an accident....but no, jumping a red light is the decision of a selfish and uncaring person with no regard to the suffering he may inflict to others by doing so. A decision that cannot be reversed. This law does not show new drivers the seriousness of abiding by the rules. I am appalled by the lightness of the sentence. ros carney
  • Score: 20

8:48pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Lorenparker122 says...

Yet if he had killed her he would of been charged with death by dangerous driving. NOT death due to his lack of care and attention.
My family and I do not want this to be focused solely on this man.
Yes it is his fault that he hit her, but he did not choose the charge he has been faced with. That is why our family went to a newspaper. We want the law changed so that another family who ever finds themselves in this situation can feel like they have received justice. We may not have but we hope others can.
Yet if he had killed her he would of been charged with death by dangerous driving. NOT death due to his lack of care and attention. My family and I do not want this to be focused solely on this man. Yes it is his fault that he hit her, but he did not choose the charge he has been faced with. That is why our family went to a newspaper. We want the law changed so that another family who ever finds themselves in this situation can feel like they have received justice. We may not have but we hope others can. Lorenparker122
  • Score: 15

9:15pm Wed 9 Jul 14

whysaythat says...

I have read all comments. A lot of valid points and of course the law needs to change and fast!.

But what I have really picked up on is the strength and humanity of Miriam' family.
I have read all comments. A lot of valid points and of course the law needs to change and fast!. But what I have really picked up on is the strength and humanity of Miriam' family. whysaythat
  • Score: 15

9:25pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Zani30 says...

I wholly support the demand to change the law. The man went through a red light on a crossing !! The fact that this beautiful young girl has survived is NO reflection on his driving. If it wasn't for the medical teams & her own inner fight to live, this young life would have been lost. I strongly feel that by his hand, his neglectful driving, he killed another human being, it is only by the hands of Dr's & medical staff , that her life was rescued. I hope someone at the council can see that this family needs their support in staying together in a safe home where they can re build their lives, not trying to re- build their lives in bed sits and being moved about.
I wholly support the demand to change the law. The man went through a red light on a crossing !! The fact that this beautiful young girl has survived is NO reflection on his driving. If it wasn't for the medical teams & her own inner fight to live, this young life would have been lost. I strongly feel that by his hand, his neglectful driving, he killed another human being, it is only by the hands of Dr's & medical staff , that her life was rescued. I hope someone at the council can see that this family needs their support in staying together in a safe home where they can re build their lives, not trying to re- build their lives in bed sits and being moved about. Zani30
  • Score: 14

9:47pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Deltablue says...

adrianshort wrote:
Deltablue wrote:
KirstyParker wrote:
I am asking the guardian if they could please remove the racist remarks made. It is not appreciated at all. For the sake of the family please could people refrain from doing that. My family would not endorse any of those remarks made at all.

The reason my family are upset are because of the fact someone drove through a red light and the suffering this has caused to both my sister and the family. We are advocating a change in the law, NOT racism.

Thank you.
Kirsty, I wrote a comment at 12:51pm Wed 9 Jul 14.
My issue is not that he's a foreigner, but rather that he's not adhering to the standards required in THIS country, as we are seeing all to often, and this is another area where the law needs to be changed. My second point being that if he doesn't understand English how does he understand road signs etc. Its also not unreasonable to question why, as he lives and drives and no doubt works in this country, he speaks such poor English that we should pay for an interpreter. After all, the majority of people from overseas make huge efforts to master their English skills. Hence my last comment "Not exactly making a worthy contribution to society in the time that he has been here , is he?" unlike the majority from overseas who do make a positive contribution.
Best wishes to your sister.
People who don't speak good English are entitled to have an interpreter in court. That's the only way they can have a fair trial.

Assuming you don't speak very good Arabic, I think you'd like an interpreter if you were facing a court hearing while on holiday or working as an ex-pat in Egypt. Again, the issue is about fair trials and equal justice, not mollycoddling people who, in your view, aren't making sufficient effort to learn English.
I would bet my house that he is not a tourist nor an ex-pat, but rather somebody who has made a permanent home here. Yes, I know - very presumptuous of me , but nevertheless, still most likely true. My opinion on learning the language stands firm wherever you decide to live in the world, Brits included.
You are correct in stating that the issue is about fair trials and equal justice, however, once the story is in the public domain, the story is always going to attract opinions on the wider complexities of the case rather than the specifics. I am sorry if you find them distasteful, but they are very often based on peoples own observations and personal experiences.
[quote][p][bold]adrianshort[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Deltablue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KirstyParker[/bold] wrote: I am asking the guardian if they could please remove the racist remarks made. It is not appreciated at all. For the sake of the family please could people refrain from doing that. My family would not endorse any of those remarks made at all. The reason my family are upset are because of the fact someone drove through a red light and the suffering this has caused to both my sister and the family. We are advocating a change in the law, NOT racism. Thank you.[/p][/quote]Kirsty, I wrote a comment at 12:51pm Wed 9 Jul 14. My issue is not that he's a foreigner, but rather that he's not adhering to the standards required in THIS country, as we are seeing all to often, and this is another area where the law needs to be changed. My second point being that if he doesn't understand English how does he understand road signs etc. Its also not unreasonable to question why, as he lives and drives and no doubt works in this country, he speaks such poor English that we should pay for an interpreter. After all, the majority of people from overseas make huge efforts to master their English skills. Hence my last comment "Not exactly making a worthy contribution to society in the time that he has been here , is he?" unlike the majority from overseas who do make a positive contribution. Best wishes to your sister.[/p][/quote]People who don't speak good English are entitled to have an interpreter in court. That's the only way they can have a fair trial. Assuming you don't speak very good Arabic, I think you'd like an interpreter if you were facing a court hearing while on holiday or working as an ex-pat in Egypt. Again, the issue is about fair trials and equal justice, not mollycoddling people who, in your view, aren't making sufficient effort to learn English.[/p][/quote]I would bet my house that he is not a tourist nor an ex-pat, but rather somebody who has made a permanent home here. Yes, I know - very presumptuous of me , but nevertheless, still most likely true. My opinion on learning the language stands firm wherever you decide to live in the world, Brits included. You are correct in stating that the issue is about fair trials and equal justice, however, once the story is in the public domain, the story is always going to attract opinions on the wider complexities of the case rather than the specifics. I am sorry if you find them distasteful, but they are very often based on peoples own observations and personal experiences. Deltablue
  • Score: 15

12:15am Thu 10 Jul 14

KirstyParker says...

Just to clarify, the driver has not yet been sentenced. He will be next week. He MAY be banned. 3 points is the minimum for driving without due care and attention. A ban is discretionary (albeit not mandatory as it is for dangerous driving/death by driving without due care and attention).
Just to clarify, the driver has not yet been sentenced. He will be next week. He MAY be banned. 3 points is the minimum for driving without due care and attention. A ban is discretionary (albeit not mandatory as it is for dangerous driving/death by driving without due care and attention). KirstyParker
  • Score: 5

12:01pm Thu 10 Jul 14

alphabeti says...

There is too much tolerance of death and injury caused by motor vehicles. The law should be changed to ensure that driving bans are used far more in cases where sub-standard driving has been demonstrated.

This particular case borders on criminal negligence in my view it deserves a custodial sentence but the law may not allow for that.

My sympathies go to Miriam and family.
There is too much tolerance of death and injury caused by motor vehicles. The law should be changed to ensure that driving bans are used far more in cases where sub-standard driving has been demonstrated. This particular case borders on criminal negligence in my view it deserves a custodial sentence but the law may not allow for that. My sympathies go to Miriam and family. alphabeti
  • Score: 7

5:22pm Thu 10 Jul 14

maisieerosee says...

I am absolutely disgusted by this.
You can not set laws to protect civilians and then when one of those laws is broken do nothing about it!
You're allowing somebody, who not only broke a law of driving through a red light, but somebody who has permanently injured another humans life, off free with a slap on the wrist. This needs to go further, the REAL LAW ABIDING judges need to take over this case so reasonable action can take place.
Surely you are not going to let a man who drove through a red light and has injured an innocent girls life live life thinking he has done no wrong? An apology is not good enough for the result of somebody's whole being now affected and ruined for her entire life.
I am absolutely disgusted by this. You can not set laws to protect civilians and then when one of those laws is broken do nothing about it! You're allowing somebody, who not only broke a law of driving through a red light, but somebody who has permanently injured another humans life, off free with a slap on the wrist. This needs to go further, the REAL LAW ABIDING judges need to take over this case so reasonable action can take place. Surely you are not going to let a man who drove through a red light and has injured an innocent girls life live life thinking he has done no wrong? An apology is not good enough for the result of somebody's whole being now affected and ruined for her entire life. maisieerosee
  • Score: 6

1:02pm Tue 15 Jul 14

SheilaBB90 says...

He jumps a red light and puts a person in a coma with brain damage, and 'there was insufficient evidence to prove that the defendant’s driving fell so far below the standard expected that he could be realistically convicted of dangerous driving.' He should be banned from driving and fined etc etc, as for 'lack of interpretor' that's a good one to delay proceedings - my husband was a victim of a 'set up accident' where we had 3 court hearings postoned due to lack of correct interpretor, the guy showed himself up in the end though by answering the judges question before it had been translated!
He jumps a red light and puts a person in a coma with brain damage, and 'there was insufficient evidence to prove that the defendant’s driving fell so far below the standard expected that he could be realistically convicted of dangerous driving.' He should be banned from driving and fined etc etc, as for 'lack of interpretor' that's a good one to delay proceedings - my husband was a victim of a 'set up accident' where we had 3 court hearings postoned due to lack of correct interpretor, the guy showed himself up in the end though by answering the judges question before it had been translated! SheilaBB90
  • Score: 1
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